blckp Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 considering the fact they rebelled 2 times which destroyed the common people's life and also they made deal with the mortal enemy of westeros -wildlings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sensenmenn Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, blckp said: considering the fact they rebelled 2 times which destroyed the common people's life and also they made deal with the mortal enemy of westeros -wildlings The north loves the starks. the riverlands nobles love the stark the common people are so so but will back them if there lords do. the westernlands hate them. The storm lands have no reason to hate them and might have a couple resons to like them. the reach has no reason to hate them. The dornish might dislike them a little bit. so over all not that bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Daenerys Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 hours ago, blckp said: considering the fact they rebelled 2 times which destroyed the common people's life and also they made deal with the mortal enemy of westeros -wildlings Outside the north they will find little love. The north still prefer them over the Boltons. Jon Snow is not considered a Stark. Many will hate him in the north for what he did at the wall but that hate won't transfer to the Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksnider05 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Sensenmenn said: The north loves the starks. the riverlands nobles love the stark the common people are so so but will back them if there lords do. the westernlands hate them. The storm lands have no reason to hate them and might have a couple resons to like them. the reach has no reason to hate them. The dornish might dislike them a little bit. so over all not that bad! Think you forgot the Vale which wasn't happy about not being able to go to their aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Princess Daenerys said: Outside the north they will find little love. The north still prefer them over the Boltons. Jon Snow is not considered a Stark. Many will hate him in the north for what he did at the wall but that hate won't transfer to the Starks. To the bolded no they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nocturne Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 hours ago, blckp said: considering the fact they rebelled 2 times which destroyed the common people's life and also they made deal with the mortal enemy of westeros -wildlings They rebelled with good reason every time. Plus it wasn't only about them the common folk know that the mad king didn't give two shits about them, plus he wanted to burn the ones in KL. The second rebelion, they rebelled against Jofrey a guy that made the lives worst for the common people everywhere in Westeros. They hated him, and when the Starks rebelled they probably saw them as heroes who would save them. All in all though, even if the whole Westeros by some absurd reason hated the Starks, the northerners loved them, and northerners don't really give two shits about what happens in the south, unless it directly affects them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceHenryris Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 The Starks are perfectly well-liked when they stay in the North. Yes, there are occasional uprisings and some quarrelsome Bannermen (Boltons) but overall, their track record is pretty good. They just get themselves in trouble once they go South of the Neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Weak troll is anemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of Procrastination Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Apart from the Boltons and the Dustins most Northern houses love the Starks. Look at the Manderlys (we swore that we should always be their men. Stark men), the Mountain clans (I would sooner my men die fighting for the Ned's little girl than alone and hungry in the snow), the Mormonts (Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North whose name is Stark), the Glovers and the Reeds. Apart from the Freys most Riverland lords love the Starks and the Lords of the Vale seem to like them as well. While the Tyrells are allied with the Lannisters I don't think they outright hate the Starks. Apart from Cersei's children most members of House Baratheon got along with the Starks rather well. The Lannisters and the Greyjoys hate the Starks, though and I doubt the Martells like the Starks very much. However, there are far more unpopular houses in Westeros. Pretty much everyone hates the Freys and even their own allies don't trust them, because they breached guestright. Quite a few Freys also hate each other. Most Houses in Westeros don't seem to like the Greyjoys and some members of house Greyjoy outright hate each other. And the Lannisters are also very unpopular. The Starks and most northern Lords hate them due to Ned's death and the Red Wedding. The Tullys and pretty much all Lords of the Riverlands except the Freys hate the Lannisters for the same reasons. There is also the fact that Tywin send Gregor Clegane to rape and pillage in the Riverlands. I doubt the Vale lords have a very high opinion of the Lannisters. The Greyjoys probably hate the Lannisters, because they hate all other houses in Westeros. The Martell hate the Lannisters, because of what happened to Elia and her children and the Targaryens hate them for the same reasons.. The Tyrells are currently allied with the Lannisters, but I doubt that this alliance will last very long. Tywins children pretty much hate each other and most members of house Lannister don't like Cersei and Tyrion very much. Quite ironic that Tywin wanted to protect the legacy of house Lannister, but turned them into one of the most hated families in Westeros. Regarding Jon and the Wildlings: Alys Karstark agreed to marry Sigor, a wildling and as long as her brother remains in captivity she is the head of house Karstark. So the Karstarks, one of the most powerful houses in the North, seem to be ok with the wildlings. The mountain clans were sceptical of Jon's plans at first, but he seems to have convinced them. The northern houses that hate the wildlings the most are the houses that were directly affected by wildling raids. If I am not mistaken the wildlings never got further south than Winterfell, so houses that are located in the southern part of the North (like the Manderlys) might be willing to ally with the wildlings. The Umbers will be hard to convince, though. While the "Arya" rescue mission had a negative effect on Jon's tenure as LC (to put it mildly) it might have a positive effect on how the northern houses will view the wildlings in the future. There were some northern Lords and Ladys at Winterfell and they all hated what happened to "Arya", but none of them tried to help her, because they were to afraid of the Boltons. Now the only people who were willing to risk their lives in order to rescue "Arya" were wildlings. They knew what would happen to them if Ramsey caught them and still risked it. "Arya" escaped beacuse the spearwifes and Mance were willing to risk their lives to help her. I think this might start to get some northern lords thinking and they could be ashamed that the wildlings were braver than they were. Furthermore, Winter has begun and Winter is hard. You can't spend all your time fighting each other when you have to fight Winter and have enemies both in the North (beyond the Wall) and the South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 21 minutes ago, Lady of Whisperers said: Regarding Jon and the Wildlings: Alys Karstark agreed to marry Sigor, a wildling and as long as her brother remains in captivity she is the head of house Karstark. So the Karstarks, one of the most powerful houses in the North, seem to be ok with the wildlings. The mountain clans were sceptical of Jon's plans at first, but he seems to have convinced them. The northern houses that hate the wildlings the most are the houses that were directly affected by wildling raids. If I am not mistaken the wildlings never got further south than Winterfell, so houses that are located in the southern part of the North (like the Manderlys) might be willing to ally with the wildlings. The Umbers will be hard to convince, though. Plus, the wildlings are uniquely a northern thing. The rest of the Seven Kingdoms care about them just about as much, as the Glovers or the Reeds would care about anything going on on the Stepstones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Yes and Joff was th most noble child the gods ever put on this good Earth. 4 hours ago, Ferocious Veldt Roarer said: Weak troll is anemic. QFT. 2 hours ago, Lady of Whisperers said: Dustins Lady Dustin is the only one we see that she doesn't like Ned and firstly she is a Ryswell and secondly I don't believe her. If we have to say who were the top 5 most hated houses in Westeros then; 1 Lannisters 2 Greyjoy 3 Freys 4 Cleganes 5 Bolton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GyantSpyder Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 The Cleganes are probably the most hated people in Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Daenerys Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 8 hours ago, The Wolves said: To the bolded no they won't. I believe they would. Mance Rayder deserved an execution but Jon let him walk. He opened the gates to the wildlings. Many in the north will resent those poor decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 23 minutes ago, Princess Daenerys said: I believe they would. Mance Rayder deserved an execution but Jon let him walk. He opened the gates to the wildlings. Many in the north will resent those poor decisions. How is saving a thousands of innocent lives a poor decision? Hes not settling the Wildlings on their lands he's settling them on NW land. Plus those Wildlings are all in danger of dying than rising and coming South, Jon actually did the Northmen a favor. If it wasn't for him thousands of walking dead Wildlings would be coming for the Northernmen(they still might but Jon tried)and nobody cares too much about Mance but the fandom to care what Jon did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 35 minutes ago, Princess Daenerys said: I believe they would. Mance Rayder deserved an execution but Jon let him walk. He opened the gates to the wildlings. Many in the north will resent those poor decisions. The head of House Karstark, Alys Karstark MARRIED the leader of the Thenns, and she did so gladly, with anticipation. She couldn't wait. Jon wasn't the one who decided to let Mance live ni the first place. That was Mel (and King Stannis in the know). And there is nothing that says how exactly a man needs to be executed. Sending him on a suicidal rescue mission can also be a form of execution. The wildlings live in the lands where people left, because the NW failed to defend the Gift and the New Gift as their job was to range North of the Wall and man the Wall. But the wildlings also surrendered valuables and hostages to Jon. Several NW forts and castles along the wall were closed down after the Targs began to mess with the NW (beginning by making a KG and making it look less prestigious) and the NW dwindled from 10000 to a 1000 in less than 300 years. A part of the deal for Jon of letting them through was to get castles manned with wildlings defending the Wall again. Jon was not even the first to let the wildlings through. That was Stannis. Despite that, Northern mountain clans, Bear Island and half of the Umbers are fighting on Stannis' side. And Stannis told Jon he had a year to man and get defense castles back into shape. Each Wall castle that isn't manned by the NW, Stannis intends to give to one of his loyal (now landless) bannermen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, sweetsunray said: The head of House Karstark, Alys Karstark MARRIED the leader of the Thenns, and she did so gladly, with anticipation. She couldn't wait. Jon wasn't the one who decided to let Mance live ni the first place. That was Mel (and King Stannis in the know). And there is nothing that says how exactly a man needs to be executed. Sending him on a suicidal rescue mission can also be a form of execution. The wildlings live in the lands where people left, because the NW failed to defend the Gift and the New Gift as their job was to range North of the Wall and man the Wall. But the wildlings also surrendered valuables and hostages to Jon. Several NW forts and castles along the wall were closed down after the Targs began to mess with the NW (beginning by making a KG and making it look less prestigious) and the NW dwindled from 10000 to a 1000 in less than 300 years. A part of the deal for Jon of letting them through was to get castles manned with wildlings defending the Wall again. Jon was not even the first to let the wildlings through. That was Stannis. Despite that, Northern mountain clans, Bear Island and half of the Umbers are fighting on Stannis' side. And Stannis told Jon he had a year to man and get defense castles back into shape. Each Wall castle that isn't manned by the NW, Stannis intends to give to one of his loyal (now landless) bannermen. Aah, beat me to it! , but you said it better than I could have anyway In general to the OP, There is so much to letting the wildlings through the wall that it could be a thread of it's own. First, everyone south of the wall has been taught to fear the Free Folk because they are wildlings, and they will drink your blood and steal your women, so you best fight or run and hide....blah, blah, blah. It is made very clear that the wildlings are not that different from those south of the wall and that much of the negative issues comes from having a wall itself, and the it is mentioned two or three times in the books that the Watch has forgotten its original purpose and blocking off the wildlings was NOT that purpose. That is only what we readers are currently meant to believe, but will soon get flipped around. As Sweetsunray mentioned, Jon won't be hated because houses are already starting to be integrated with different Free Folk anyway, by choice. Alys may not be the only one if you count the Mormont she-bears and a certain Husband to bears we already know Jon talks with Stannis about fulfilling Ned and Benjen's desire to repopulate the near empty north/Gift with wildlings which not only adds to the strengths, production, and defenses of the north, it also adds new blood to the houses starving for someone to marry and make little babies with because incest is an abomination in the north and they are at near critical lows in that aspect. The added bonus is that by adding new blood and people to the north, it undoes the treachery that Queen Alysanne and King Jaeherys did by taking land away from the Starks in the first place. Yes, it may take some time, the transition will not be overnight and the leaders from all houses and Free Folk will have to set the example for their people to follow, but this is an issue that is also close to George's heart in real life, so I am sure there is a little reflection in this story for that to happen, as George mentions here. 9 hours ago, Nocturne said: They rebelled with good reason every time. Plus it wasn't only about them the common folk know that the mad king didn't give two shits about them, plus he wanted to burn the ones in KL. The second rebelion, they rebelled against Jofrey a guy that made the lives worst for the common people everywhere in Westeros. They hated him, and when the Starks rebelled they probably saw them as heroes who would save them. All in all though, even if the whole Westeros by some absurd reason hated the Starks, the northerners loved them, and northerners don't really give two shits about what happens in the south, unless it directly affects them. Very well said. All of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 13 hours ago, blckp said: considering the fact they rebelled 2 times which destroyed the common people's life and also they made deal with the mortal enemy of westeros -wildlings LOL The Targaryen propaganda ministry seems to be working hard here. It would be nice if you'd add a little context behind those rebellions. Anyway, as pointed out, they are beloved in the North. Maybe not outside the North. But, that doesn't matter as they have no real intention of ruling outside the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueNightzx Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 i think not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter prince Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 The Starks are the most hated by the Lannister's and Littlefinger... That about sums it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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