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Boarders Writing a Novel Part 15

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OK. Editing has taken the second draft up to 10,000 words, and I'm nowhere near finished. I think the issue is that on first drafts I tend to chronically underwrite - basically, in my rush to map out the story's direction, I end up skipping over stuff, rather than fleshing it out. This current story is a good example of this.

Of course, I sincerely hope subsequent edits can cut back that word count - I'm starting to approach the Awkward Zone, where a story is too long for the magazines, but too short for print.

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If you're going for comedy, definitely the last one. The others are too subtle.

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I like the third one as well.

I am feeling like a dope about my writing today. Just feeling foolish that I'm still trying when all signs point to NO for me. I've written 7 full books, started countless others, not to mention shorts and other random things. I've gotten literally hundreds of rejections. I just don't think I'm good enough. I enjoy writing, so I don't want to stop, but it is really getting me down right now. Then I think, well I should self-pub, because who cares and at least a few people might get some enjoyment out of my writing. But then I always think, well, maybe just try querying one more project, and then 100 rejections later...I feel like Charlie Brown with the football.

Anyway. Sorry to be all woe-is-me. I really do like my latest project, and who knows, maybe an agent will too?

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Perhaps switch to submitting short stories for a bit? They're far less emotional investment than novels, take far less time to write, and even selling one to an e-zine for $5 does wonders to cheer you up (plus asking for feedback on 3,000 words is less scary than asking for feedback on 103,000).

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Revised version of It Shines Bright Tonight complete at 13,000 words. Now for some polish...

(My revision doubled the length of the story!).

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Ah...It's been a busy year. Got so sick and tired of what I was writing I redesigned the maps and made some new ones. Still want to kill everybody. Made mistake of letting my dad reading manuscript. Only got two to three chapters in and he said the story was jumping around a lot and it doesn't appear to be coherent......:wacko: In the chapters he's read I've only introduced two characters who briefly encounter each other in the second chapter.

Realised my Asperger's may prevent me from ever finishing the book or any book, then realised if Anna Smith Spark could do it so can I. Diagnosed myself as having a grasshopper mind, and nearly wrote an entire plot line based on the fact I saw how the Missy and Master arc was finished in season 10 of NEW WHO and thought wouldn't that suit these two characters of mine, and so had to stop myself. And I currently debate whether or not to split half my characters and plot line from one story into another one and have two completely unrelated world and story. It's been a busy year.

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On 8/6/2017 at 8:12 AM, Starkess said:

I like the third one as well.

I am feeling like a dope about my writing today. Just feeling foolish that I'm still trying when all signs point to NO for me. I've written 7 full books, started countless others, not to mention shorts and other random things. I've gotten literally hundreds of rejections. I just don't think I'm good enough. I enjoy writing, so I don't want to stop, but it is really getting me down right now. Then I think, well I should self-pub, because who cares and at least a few people might get some enjoyment out of my writing. But then I always think, well, maybe just try querying one more project, and then 100 rejections later...I feel like Charlie Brown with the football.

Anyway. Sorry to be all woe-is-me. I really do like my latest project, and who knows, maybe an agent will too?

Nice score there :) Have you done any test readings? I mean publishing is basically just a big test reading - people read, you see their responce, you take it into account in writing the next book. But the size of the test reading isn't the most significant part - just getting a few folk to read is doing the important part of all this. 'Published' is just a means to an end, not the end itself.

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7 hours ago, Callan S. said:

Nice score there :) Have you done any test readings? I mean publishing is basically just a big test reading - people read, you see their responce, you take it into account in writing the next book. But the size of the test reading isn't the most significant part - just getting a few folk to read is doing the important part of all this. 'Published' is just a means to an end, not the end itself.

A few, which are generally positive.

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On 8/5/2017 at 6:12 PM, Starkess said:

I like the third one as well.

I am feeling like a dope about my writing today. Just feeling foolish that I'm still trying when all signs point to NO for me. I've written 7 full books, started countless others, not to mention shorts and other random things. I've gotten literally hundreds of rejections. I just don't think I'm good enough. I enjoy writing, so I don't want to stop, but it is really getting me down right now. Then I think, well I should self-pub, because who cares and at least a few people might get some enjoyment out of my writing. But then I always think, well, maybe just try querying one more project, and then 100 rejections later...I feel like Charlie Brown with the football.

Anyway. Sorry to be all woe-is-me. I really do like my latest project, and who knows, maybe an agent will too?

Have you changed things up much between books? Writing in different genres, styles, etc.

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Squee. My taniwha/railway nerd story, An Extract from the Diary of Peter Mackenzie, has made it to the second round at Clarkesworld.

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Inspired Quill requested the full manuscript of my novel, Thorns of a Black Rose. :)

They rejected my first novel, a supernatural mystery/steampunk/urban fantasy novel last year and the year before, so hoping third time lucky.

 

Thorns of a Black Rose is a fantasy inspired more by Howard than Tolkein, set in a fantasy North Africa.  The two protagonists are a thirteen year old thief-girl native to the city, and a magicker hailing from the southern half of the continent.  She's spent two years travelling from the south.  The third and lesser protagonist is a ranger from a desert tribe who escorts caravans across a vast desert inspired by the Sahara.  In a sense, it's an African Hobbit with a brown Bilbo recruited from the streets rather than a middle-class life, a black female Gandalf, and a black Aragorn ranging through the desert rather than the wilds of northern Europe. 

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On 8/25/2017 at 10:43 PM, Derfel Cadarn said:

Inspired Quill requested the full manuscript of my novel, Thorns of a Black Rose. :)

They rejected my first novel, a supernatural mystery/steampunk/urban fantasy novel last year and the year before, so hoping third time lucky.

 

Thorns of a Black Rose is a fantasy inspired more by Howard than Tolkein, set in a fantasy North Africa.  The two protagonists are a thirteen year old thief-girl native to the city, and a magicker hailing from the southern half of the continent.  She's spent two years travelling from the south.  The third and lesser protagonist is a ranger from a desert tribe who escorts caravans across a vast desert inspired by the Sahara.  In a sense, it's an African Hobbit with a brown Bilbo recruited from the streets rather than a middle-class life, a black female Gandalf, and a black Aragorn ranging through the desert rather than the wilds of northern Europe. 

As someone from the southern half of Africa, I'd like to read that some time.

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6 hours ago, Callan S. said:

But what of Sauron?

Next book, with a twist :P

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Hey guys, can short stories have chapters? More importantly, is this a stupid question?

EDIT: Guess I'm asking when and whether its acceptable to have a visible break (that shifts through time and changes scenes quite drastically) in a short story.

Edited by Kyoshi
For clarity and reasons.

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10 minutes ago, Kyoshi said:

Hey guys, can short stories have chapters? More importantly, is this a stupid question?

EDIT: Guess I'm asking when and whether its acceptable to have a visible break (that shifts through time and changes scenes quite drastically) in a short story.

I would say it isn't uncommon to get things like flashbacks or multiple points of view or time shifts in short fiction.

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2 hours ago, Kyoshi said:

Hey guys, can short stories have chapters? More importantly, is this a stupid question?

EDIT: Guess I'm asking when and whether its acceptable to have a visible break (that shifts through time and changes scenes quite drastically) in a short story.

Yes, short fiction can have a visible break. The shorter the work though, the less justification you'll have.

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Thank you very much.

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