The fanny from hell Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Viva Presidente Trump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Well, America, this is what you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Rhaenys Kitten Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Crazydog7 said: Well whatever it is it can always be blamed on A. Obama B. The Chinese C. Russia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Now the Google Overlords are showing me a smug looking Trump picture with a check mark next to it. (angry face). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Crazydog7 said: Well whatever it is it can always be blamed on A. Obama B. The Chinese With full Republican control of all three branches of government, this only works for a year or two. Add in the desire for massive social repression and supply side economics driven disaster, and the Republicans have the potential to lose even safe, gerrymandered seats in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris the Blade Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, JCRB's Honeypot said: Yes, totally. I mean, all of my friends who vote Trump are definitely KKK members. Like, generalizations don't exist, right? I mean, it's not like people got tired of being called precisely that. Also, it's not like there is not shades. Either you vote Hillary or you are with the KKK, despite Hillary herself called a member of the KKK a "friend and mentor". I mean, I'm sure all the latinos voting in Florida are KKK supporters. They aren't at all the children of the conservative Cubans who escaped Cuba and now are being told how communism and socialism are so great by spoiled College students who are wishing Hurricane Matthew would have flooded them all because they didn't vote Hillary. It's like... people never vote reactively against those who belittle them never. Let's insult everybody who doesn't think like me, that's the real trick to win people to your cause, guys. Who the fuck is saying your friends are KKK members? I said that he was endorsed by bigots, so of course his supporters are going to be called bigots hen still supporting him even after that all comes out. Those Latinos could possibly be homophobic assholes for all I know. Dont want to be called a bigot and have hurt feelings? Dont fucking support a person like Trump. People voting for Trump essentially said fuck the LGBTQIA community, fuck women, fuck people of color, fuck muslims, fuck the disabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, Mr Fixit said: I'm not American, but I think you're not entirely correct. Hillary lost because people were SICK of the corrupt establishment. People voted against status quo. The candidate that challenged status quo won. Had Bernie been here, he'd have won, as every single poll indicated. But he is communist, Castro-loving, Israel-hating, pro-NRA, government handout bank destroyer that your independent democratic media painted him as. Can't have that. Oh no. Well, enjoy peeps. This is an assumption that has no real basis in fact. Like, the polls said Clinton was gonna win tonight too, remember? The whole Sanders vs Trump scenario can never really be known obviously, but there's nothing from tonight's results indicating Sanders would obviously have done better that I've seen. We won't know much for sure till more comes out about why all the voter turnout was different then expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, Crazydog7 said: Well whatever it is it can always be blamed on A. Obama B. The Chinese Oh don't worry. Bernie will be to blame! Just you wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Just now, butterbumps! said: Are you considering this "triumph of the people against mainstream media and establishment" a good thing? Depends. When the media has become biased, it can be a powerful message. Just now, butterbumps! said: How do you feel about the fact that increasing consumption of horrifically skewed/ fictitious/ purposely decisive/ conspiratorial nonsense "news" sources is what has been fueling this distrust of mainstream media? is that a good thing too? No, it's not a good thing. The whole "Hillary is satanist" was imo ridiculous and unnecessary. Just now, butterbumps! said: Trump's message was catchier, but it was not positive. Or more specifically, it's positive to white cis straight christian males prone to magical thinking, and horrific to everyone else. White cis straight Christian males in America still have the right to vote and have their voices being heard. The fact that many of them were demonized based on things they couldn't change (like being white cis and straight) is the reason they started to distrust media in first place. Either way, making all of this a race issue is imo, pointless considering how much the Latino Vote has helped Trump (or so it says in my local news atm). There is a world tendency to go Right from Left, we are seeing it outside America. And you only need to look below the border to your own neighbours: All the Argentinians who voted Left and were abandoned by their president and later went far right are also white cis traight males? Is leftist Michele Bachelet's unpopularity to blame to them? Dilma's corruption? Peru voted left five years ago and now those same minority communities voted right after they felt abandonded by the president they put in charge and voted right. USA is, imo, following the same tendency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, JCRB's Honeypot said: They aren't at all the children of the conservative Cubans who escaped Cuba and now are being told how communism and socialism are so great by spoiled College students who are wishing Hurricane Matthew would have flooded them all because they didn't vote Hillary. It's like... people never vote reactively against those who belittle them never. Let's insult everybody who doesn't think like me, that's the real trick to win people to your cause, guys. It would be nice that while admonishing people for hurling insults and wild accusations at people you support you didn't do the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 24 minutes ago, JCRB's Honeypot said: You know, without wanting to start a confrontation, the reason Trump won is because people was tired of being called names. II know I am myself: everytime I disagree with Hillary, I was a white supremacist homophobic racist who hated women of colour despite I'm myself one. Maybe if we start calling other people that just bc they have different political ideologies... Because Trump and his supporters never call people names, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, dmc515 said: This is a naive view on how the current legislative process works. No, it's not. To believe the GOP would stall it's own legislative agenda is the naive view. The only defence the Democrats have against any of this is a filibuster in the Senate. And that only if the GOP don't nuke it, which there's a good chance they will at this point because why would they let the Democrats use their own tactics against them? What's going to stop them basically? There's the filibuster and intraparty fighting and that's it. And the GOP, even the stupid crazy parts in the House, agree on enough of their agenda to get that shit passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fanny from hell Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Melania. Such a classy First Lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariadne23 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 What. Just. Happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 minute ago, David Selig said: Because Trump and his supporters never call people names, right? Hey you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 minute ago, JCRB's Honeypot said: White cis straight Christian males in America still have the right to vote and have their voices being heard. The fact that many of them were demonized based on things they couldn't change (like being white cis and straight) is the reason they started to distrust media in first place. No, they weren't demonized for their race, gender, sexuality or even religion. They were demonized in how they used their privilege from that to fuck over everywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudguard Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 What's ridiculous at this point is how all the people who were so sure that Clinton was going to win are now so sure why she lost and why Trump won. This arrogance from progressives that think they know everything has been proven emphatically wrong. Maybe they should start listening to what the other side is saying for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 24 minutes ago, Shryke said: This is an assumption that has no real basis in fact. Like, the polls said Clinton was gonna win tonight too, remember. With much much narrower margin. I remember polls from when Bernie was still in the race. While he was winning in the double digits, Hillary was up by only a couple points and I distinctly remember some polls showing her lose even back then. I know it's not all that relevant to conjure up polls from months ago. I only do it because I remember countless smug faces who tried to convince the voters that Sanders was "unelectable" and that only Hillary could defeat the GOP candidate. I remember endless shameful newspaper articles on Bernie, like WaPo publishing SIXTEEN articles critical (even outright lying) of Bernie in sixteen hours. I remember NYT putting a positive article on its web page, letting Bernie guys link to it, and then completely butchering the essence of it in a few hours. Even the NYT editor had to publish a piece that disagreed with it. I remember Daily Beast (I think? maybe another NY-based paper) publishing one of the most disgusting loaded interviews with Bernie I have ever seen right before NY primaries where they used gotcha tactics and lies to paint as him as an incompetent buffoon. I remember Town Hall hosts on CNN greeting Hillary with open hands and asking questions about how loved and supported she is and than right after barraging Bernie with Castro, Chavez, and communism. You wanted it. You got it. Anyway, American people ARE sick of status quo, I think we can agree on that at least. I don't find it at all surprising that two anti-establishment candidates did so good this election cycle. The sooner big parties realize that and start listening to the goddamn people for a change instead of blaming imaginary enemies, the better for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 12 minutes ago, mormont said: Trump's entire campaign was based on calling people names. Weaker people, specifically: minorities, women, the disabled, LGBTQ+ people. People who have been called names for most of recorded history - and suffered much worse. People who have been called much worse things than white people have ever been called, with more serious consequences. Trump's victory is not the oppressed rising up against the oppressors. It's the oppressors biting back. Let's remember that Trump is the guy that began his political rise based on racist attacks on America's first black president. And then won the primary on the back of in large part racist policies against mexicans and muslims. And then kept that narrative going right the way through to a win in the general election. Where he won, so far as exit polls are showing from what I've seen, based on winning the white vote. There's a rather obvious pattern here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 37 minutes ago, Mr Fixit said: My happiness knows no bounds. The neoimperialistic bloodthirsty Wall Street-corrupt witch has lost. As for you Americans: you didn't want Bernie Sanders. He is "unelectable". He is a "communist". He is this and that. Every poll showed that he beat Trump soundly. The complete establishment conspired against him and borderline cheated so that the Witch could win. Have this now. Happy happy joy joy. Voting for a fascist does not advance the progressive cause. That's why Bernie himself campaigned for Hillary. Seriously, the Left - not just in the US, but at the international level - will have to spend the next four years fighting for its very survival. But I hope you're happy. Fascism is something that hurts other people, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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