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Rhaegar "kidnapping" Lyanna rumor - who started it?

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This has bugged me for a while now and I haven't seen a satisfying answer yet. 

We all know that the rumor about Lyanna was that "Rhaegar kidnapped and raped her" then Robert's Rebellion. Well, no one saw Lyanna for, what, 9 months, as she was hidden in Tower of Joy pregnant. And I believe many of us believe she was never kidnapped to begin with, she ran off with Rhaegar to follow her heart. I can see how the citizens would see her disappearance as 'kidnapped', she's no longer around. But...raped? What evidence was there of that, unless there was proof, like seeing her pregnant? None of the stories told about them has included her being impregnated by Rhaegar as proof of the 'rape'. And we know now, from the Tower of Joy scenes, there were hand maidens there, Harland Reed and some Targaryen Kingsguard. Would they really report that she was 'raped'? I just wonder how this came to be part of the history of Lyanna and Rhaegar. Kidnap, sure, I can buy that (even if she ran off with him). 

Anyone see any reference to citizens of Kings Landing seeing her pregnant before? It seemed like young Ned was shocked she delivered a baby. So that doesn't reconcile with me. 

Thank you! 

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The kidnapping probably started when Lyanna disappeared after the Tourney at Harrenhall.
She was on her way back to Winterfell, but never arrived. So an investigation was started to track her down.

Logically, people around Harrenhall were asked if they saw Lyanna, since Rhaegar and his escort were well known, people would've stopped and watched, and they would've seen Lyanna in his escort, perhaps even riding next to Rhaegar. So it would soon become clear that Lyanna was 'taken' by Rhaegar. Being taken can easily be changed into kidnapped, depending who you asked

About the rape part, I'm not sure, but here's what I think happened.
Rhaegar probably left with a large group from Harrenhall, some of them left earlier, or went in another direction. Things in an encampment are hard to keep quiet, so if R+L were having sex in the encampment, while travelling south, someone would have noticed. That same someone could have been found by the search party, and interrogated.
Now, if you heard that your sister (or your liege lord's daughter) was 'taken' by Rhaegar, and that they had sex in the encampment. Would you think that she (still being a virgin before), would have had sex with her 'captor' voluntarily, or that he forcer himself on her?

 

 

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On ‎11‎/‎18‎/‎2016 at 1:15 AM, Ser Walter of AShwood said:

The kidnapping probably started when Lyanna disappeared after the Tourney at Harrenhall.
She was on her way back to Winterfell, but never arrived. So an investigation was started to track her down.

There is a year between the tourney and Lyanna's disappearance.  The fair weather of the false spring lasted only a moon, then winter returned with a vengeance.  Between the tourney and Brandon going to Riverrun to deal with Littlefinger's challenge, Aegon was born, and Elia did not get reported as expecting at the tourney.  Rhaegar was looked for when Aerys lit fires on the walls of King's Landing, against the chill of the winter, but he could not be found, even on Dragonstone with his newborn son. 

After dealing with Littlefinger, Brandon took his leave of Catelyn for a short errand, which once completed he would return to Riverrun for their wedding.  It was when Brandon was returning that he received word that had him hastily riding for King's Landing, and being an utter fool. 

To the OP, who says that Lyanna was kidnapped?  Robert.  It makes sense that Robert would protect his ego by insisting that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped.  It also makes sense that no one is telling the king that he is naked. 

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i assume that piece of sh*t Jon Arryn was the one whispering in Roberts ear that she was kidnapped.

he is 1 of 2, maybe 3 people Robert would listen to.

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Of course in one of its meanings "rape" means "to carry off" as in the infamous Roman legend of "The Rape of the Sabine Women".  Did Lyanna go willingly?  Maybe, maybe not but Robert obviously believed she didn't.  His anger in this is toward Rhaegar and him only.  As to Lyanna well there is Stockholm syndrome and the fact that GRRM writes and develops very complicated characters that operate off of the whole palette of human psychological behavior. 

In the series, even in the books we never are told what Ned told Robert about the circumstances at the Tower of Joy.  Obviously Ned talked about the fight with Sir Arthur Dane.  Lyanna was obviously dead, I'm just guessing here but Ned may have told everyone that she and the baby died in childbirth.  In that circumstance, having finally been found in a remote Tower guarded by members of the King's Guard that Ned, her brother, had to kill in order to get to her, well it's not a massive leap to see it through Robert's eyes.  Whatever her feelings toward him, Robert loved her.

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