Kalbear Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Just now, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Kalbear, I think Urban areas already have a high concentration of power. That's were the big electoral vote numbers are (California and it's big cities, the same with Texas and Florida). On that basis they shouldn't be ignored. But they have a disproportionate lack of power relative to their size. And you want to enshrine that. Even though it's far more risky to alienate them than it would be to alienate this supposed rural voting bloc that you've still not really stated as to what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, Kalbear said: But they have a disproportionate lack of power relative to their size. And you want to enshrine that. Even though it's far more risky to alienate them than it would be to alienate this supposed rural voting bloc that you've still not really stated as to what they do. No, I want to dilute that power by increasing, significantly, the number of Representatives in the House of Representatives. Most of those new Representatives are going to be in Urban areas where populations are concentrated. Every new house member dilutes the relative power of the One Representative in small population states. That translates through to the existing system as the Number of Electors is based on the number of Senators and Representatives they have in the House of Representatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Just now, Ser Scot A Ellison said: No, I want to dilute that by increasing, significantly, the number of Representatives in the House of Representatives. Most of those new Representatives are going to be in Urban areas where populations are concentrated. Every new house member dilutes the relative power of the One Representative in small population states. That translates through to the existing system as the Number of Electors is based on the number of Senators and Representatives they have in the House of Representatives. But you've been arguing for days now about how you don't want to alienate rural voters because reasons. How does your plan stop the farmers from revolting with pitchforks and torches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Also, college professors are getting into fights with alt-right spokespeople. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Kalbear said: But they have a disproportionate lack of power relative to their size. And you want to enshrine that. Even though it's far more risky to alienate them than it would be to alienate this supposed rural voting bloc that you've still not really stated as to what they do. clearing quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 24 minutes ago, Kalbear said: But you've been arguing for days now about how you don't want to alienate rural voters because reasons. How does your plan stop the farmers from revolting with pitchforks and torches? Kalbear, I've been arguing for modifications in the EC from the start (eliminating gerrymandering adopting Maine/Nebraska apportionment) the point about increasing the number of electors really hit me today. The reason the relative impact is so out of wack is the freeze on the House of Representatives. I've argued that needs to be made larger for some time now (without any relation to the EC). This retains the benefit to smaller states but significantly reduces the relative power of those smaller states. I see it as splitting the baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Kalbear said: In other news, alt-right group literally heils hitler at DC event. At least the alt-right donated $10,000 to the Anti-Defamation League...indirectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Trump opens his relationship with the media with a warm and friendly chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 other than the protectionism (which is hopefully mostly rhetorical), this is all very encouraging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Pontificating about rural voters and the electoral college, with all due respect, doesn't seem like a high priority right now. Particularly not as more indications of Trump's likely agenda emerge. First, you have Trump telling off the press as Wert notes above. Then you have Kris Kobach showing what appears to be his pitch document for the job of heading up the Department of Homeland Security: plans that appear to include classifying as a criminal any non-resident alien even arrested for a crime, and also 'gang members' (however that's to be defined). Refusing to accept any Syrian refugee from any side of the conflict for any reason. Using the PATRIOT act as a tool to reduce immigration. These are not Trump's own plans but they're clearly what Kobach thinks he wants to hear - and since Kobach is under serious consideration for a job, that would appear to be a reasonable assumption. http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article116223378.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 12 minutes ago, Commodore said: other than the protectionism (which is hopefully mostly rhetorical), this is all very encouraging Further strengthening my last post, thanks. It's a mixture of regressive policies, environmental destruction, economic damage, ridiculous and arbitrary tokenism and windy bullshit. I have no idea why you'd think the protectionism is rhetorical: it's the centrepiece of that little missive and he's pledging to take specific actions about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Kalbear said: And in actual political news instead of this Prairie Home Companion redux, Tulsi Gabbard - the oft-beloved poster child for Bernie supporters of who should run in 2020 - is meeting with Trump to likely discuss a role in his administration. I really don't know what to make of this. Why would she even consider a position if she's so Sandersesque? Then again, reading this I'm really confused why she would be supported by Sanders fans at all. She's against refugees, against refugees, didn't want to condemn Assad's violence against citizens, thinks the US is at war with Islam, and is apparently fairly friendly with Putin (or at least Russian papers like her). She supported Sanders because she saw it as a fast track to power, since she jumped on board around the peak of Sanders-mania in the primary. She was supported by Sanders fans because she backed Sanders and nothing more. They didn't know anything about her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Kalbear said: In other news, alt-right group literally heils hitler at DC event. At first I thought I got sniped but I think this might actually be a different neo-nazi gathering from this one: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/ All related to the Orwellian named "National Policy Institute". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 2 hours ago, OldGimletEye said: What in the fuck is wrong with people? They support Trump. What, did you think this wasn't what his support looked like? "Working class whites from the heartland" baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Sorry Mom, the kids won't be coming home for Thanksgiving this year. Quote However, some millennials, particularly the more liberal ones, are choosing to opt out of the festivities this year — their wounds too fresh. Their fears about the consequences of a Trump presidency, as well as a general disdain for family members who voted for him, are still very real. I don't do holidays with the fam and haven't for years, and mostly for all the reasons that lead them to enthusiastically vote for Trump. One of my friends is opting out this year and says that out of everything, she's most devastated by the fact that her parents just don't give a single shit about her future or the future of their grandchildren and are so willing to tear it all down for reasons that barely make sense. I thought it was a good way to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 26 minutes ago, Werthead said: Trump opens his relationship with the media with a warm and friendly chat. Watched Kellyanne flat out refute this on MSNBC a little bit ago...I was not able to believe her. She alsomseemed to make a threat to the media to not discuss the meeting at all, if one were inclined to do so. If one asks, "is this something you could see Trump doing?", the only answer is yes. Would Obama do this? Either Bush? I can't see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Kalbear, I think Urban areas already have a high concentration of power. That's were the big electoral vote numbers are (California and it's big cities, the same with Texas and Florida). On that basis they shouldn't be ignored. That's not urban areas, that's people. Urban areas are not concentrated power, they are concentrated people. People, Scot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Hermit Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Trump's policy about removing two regulations for every new one is just goofy. It doesn't take into account the merits of new regulations but just assumes they must be bad. You may as well just ban adding new regulations if that's your belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 44 minutes ago, James Arryn said: That's not urban areas, that's people. Urban areas are not concentrated power, they are concentrated people. People, Scot. Did you think I was talking about frence posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Shryke said: They support Trump. What, did you think this wasn't what his support looked like? "Working class whites from the heartland" baby. I remember back in the day, when Jonah Shitbird, in a conservative hissy fit, wrote Liberal Facism. Now who has the fascism or Nazi problem now? It sure in the hell ain’t liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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