Mark Antony Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Harsh pen imo, looked like dude was already falling before clattering into Fellaini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Soft penalty but a goal was coming. We've dropped far too deep in the last ten minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, Mark Antony said: Harsh pen imo, looked like dude was already falling before clattering into Fellaini. Agreed. But Fellani was stupid for stepping through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 A draw doesn't really help either side. If our top 4 chances weren't done before, it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Gana wanted that penalty, and was on his way down before Fellaini came. The latter wasn't really thinking clearly, because there's no reason to step into a player like that inside the penalty area. Given that Oliver already had shown to be off his game today, it's not surprising he gave the penalty. That's the second home game against not all that good opposition (well, United is better than Swansea, but save for de Gea, I'm underwhelmed today) that we've rescued a draw at the death. Koeman needs to start turning things around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 2 hours ago, Consigliere said: Bournemouth's comeback for the win is all the more surprising given how much of a liability Boruc was in this game. He nearly carried the ball over the line as well in addition to his poor decision making. Had it not been for goal line technology, I think the officials would have awarded a goal there. But he managed to not concede a stupid goals unlike Karius, who was atrocious. Rather start Mignolet over him nut Klopp rates him highly. 25 minutes ago, Consigliere said: A draw doesn't really help either side. If our top 4 chances weren't done before, it is now. You're a bit harsh, There is stil a chance, even for a title. Chelsea got plenty of injuries, Man City suspensions and weak defence, Arsenal is one step away from someone being injured and Liverpool well you saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 So that's Liverpool's defense without Matip? Damn, Liverpool fans should be happy, that he doesn't really care for the AFCON and will be available in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, Notone said: So that's Liverpool's defense without Matip? Damn, Liverpool fans should be happy, that he doesn't really care for the AFCON and will be available in January. Yeah he's vital. Lucas isn't a CB and Lovren has good runs of form but is ultimately a liability. Hopefully a long term partner for Matip in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 18 minutes ago, Lord Friendzone said: You're a bit harsh, There is stil a chance, even for a title. Chelsea got plenty of injuries, Man City suspensions and weak defence, Arsenal is one step away from someone being injured and Liverpool well you saw it. Yeah, but we're nine points away from the nearest of those teams. To win the title we'd need every single one of them, plus Spurs, to collapse while we suddenly become awesome. Even to get top four we'd have to be almost faultless from now till the end and hope other teams fall off. It's been a dreadful season in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 33 minutes ago, Lord Friendzone said: You're a bit harsh, There is stil a chance, even for a title. Chelsea got plenty of injuries, Man City suspensions and weak defence, Arsenal is one step away from someone being injured and Liverpool well you saw it. I call it being realistic. Facts are facts, the five sides ahead of us are more polished outfits at this point in time. The only bright spot is the brand of football is much better than under LVG, however, not being clinical enough in the final third coupled with an inability to keep clean sheets mean we are not genuine top 4 contenders. Two of the five sides ahead of us will have to fall off badly for us to finish in the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 20 minutes ago, polishgenius said: Yeah, but we're nine points away from the nearest of those teams. To win the title we'd need every single one of them, plus Spurs, to collapse while we suddenly become awesome. Even to get top four we'd have to be almost faultless from now till the end and hope other teams fall off. It's been a dreadful season in the league. Arsenal always fade away, we have ups and downs along the road+ Coutinho out and Mane is going to ACN, Chelsea ain't gonna be awesome all the time and all the troubles surrounding them. There are opportunities and you're not playing bad, not worse than others. Even if your defence is weak, you get many chances thought the game. Just to take them but it's easier said than done.It's still early to say who will really fight for it. At least one club will fade away and that would be your chance. Tbh let's not forget recent scandal involving Chelsea and they're in trouble for it as a club. Present will be brough to the past. Their statement was something that could bite them really. FA could make them exemplary case and it could go from hefty financial consequences to as far as deduction of points. They way they handle and tried to dismiss child abuse in their club's past is a shameful act. Crewe too and who knows what else will ne uncovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 44 minutes ago, Notone said: So that's Liverpool's defense without Matip? Damn, Liverpool fans should be happy, that he doesn't really care for the AFCON and will be available in January. But Mane is going, but Matip is equally important given state of our defence. Lucas is no CB and Loven is mistake prone but this defeat goes largely on the shoulders of our general play in the second half(also Karius mistake for Aké goal), we were too static, too satisfied with leading 3:1. Bournemouth wanted it more and fairplay to them, they've been brilliant in the second half. 8 minutes ago, Consigliere said: I call it being realistic. Facts are facts, the five sides ahead of us are more polished outfits at this point in time. The only bright spot is the brand of football is much better than under LVG, however, not being clinical enough in the final third coupled with an inability to keep clean sheets mean we are not genuine top 4 contenders. Two of the five sides ahead of us will have to fall off badly for us to finish in the top 4. One of them is bound to fall and fade away. No way all of them will be this good and injuries, suspensions and other problems can influence it a lot. I'd wait to really rule you guys out of at least top 4, especially we'll after the festive period. Many times you were close to get the job done and many opportunities wasted in the final third. This is the main issue. Defence was not going ro be so god, especialy since Bailly is out who was rock solid and key member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 38 minutes ago, Soylent Brown said: Matip was a miss today, but more than anything Liverpool need a decent striker. Origi scored a nice goal, but really anyone half decent should be scoring that, and he showed himself to be a one-footed wonder earlier by missing an absolute sitter. He's young so he may improve yet but as it stands he's about at Shane Long level. (ie. shit) Everyone looked sluggish today. Even before half time, you could see that our dudes weren't running around quite as lively as normal. Also, Zlatan is a cunt and should get a ban for what he did today. You mean goalkeeper and good back four, three. Matip is solid but apart of that rubbish. Karius or Mignolet are no good enough. I'll give Karius a bit of a time to adjust but he has to do something, so far very poor from him. Well, we don't have Costa, Agüero or Sanchéz. Firmino is decent but he needs Coutinho with him. They work better together. What Zlatan did? I haven't seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncalagonTheBlack Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Notone said: So that's Liverpool's defense without Matip? Damn, Liverpool fans should be happy, that he doesn't really care for the AFCON and will be available in January. In the league: When Matip plays - P11 GA 9 When Matip doesn't play - P3 GA 9 Stats tell the story.I really hope Klopp gets us a solid defender in the Jan window or i won't be too sure about our top 4 finish. Only thing that made me happy today was finding out Sam Jackson is a Pool fan.Did not know that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 One poor game and Karius is hung out to dry by too many Liverpool fans. Maybe his confidence wouldn't have drifted away quite as quickly if he hadn't been criticised so much for not settling into the physicality required in the box instantaneously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 One poor game? As Carragher said, so far very unconvincing. Even De Gea struggle with PL but that was more with crosses, but he mae key saves. Karius is shaky in the goal but Mignolet is worse. Karius is obviously someone for future but we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I'm not sure what you expect from a young keeper playing first team football outside of his home country for the first time. He has looked like he needs time to settle and there are some areas of weakness in his game that the Premier League's style will expose more than the Bundesliga, but that is perfectly normal. De Gea was exactly the same, it is only hindsight that makes his start not seem identical to Karius'. Until today if you were to rate his performances they will have been mostly 6/10 with a couple of 7s. If you wanted someone to come in and immediately have 8s and 9s then a 23 year old is obviously the wrong signing - however that person would be considerably more expensive and still might not even start perfectly as City are finding out to their cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 You're playing for Liverpool FC, you're expected to put performances. De Gea had problems with crosses but apart from that was good, Karius is something else. He's all around shaky at times, conceading soft goals, top goalkeeper or if you want to win the league goalkeeper must save. Second and fourth goal were saveable. As Neville said it in studio. Goalkeepers like Stekelenburg, Karius or Mignolet just spreads anxiety throught the team. Do your job, don't do stupid things. Be calm and their jsut like our defeders shaky, making mistakes and cocneading silyl goals. It's not only Karius, defence is shit and was for a lot of years. Last time we had a top goalkeeper was with Reina and once he regressd in form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 7 hours ago, AncalagonTheBlack said: Only thing that made me happy today was finding out Sam Jackson is a Pool fan.Did not know that! I'll tell you something, he went down in my estimation when he said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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