College Football 2016 - Cracks in the Golden Dome

[Joe Pesci]

This Bama/Florida game is pretty wild. Bama has 16 points without gaining a first down, returning an INT and a blocked punt for a TD, which Florida blocks the ensuing extra point and runs it back for 2.

[Joe Pesci]

18 minutes ago, Michael Seswatha Jordan said:

I miss that game so much. No matter the records of was always a game. And, we hated each other vehemently. Those games on the Friday after Thanksgiving, at night, at WVU. Some of the best ones I been to. Except 2007 when Rodriguez threw the game because he couldn't justify going to Michigan if we win a NC that year, or hell even played in it. YouTube that game if you ever have time. The asst coaches were screaming at him the entire 2nd half to throw the ball. A few times it looked as if they were going to fight with him. I know it a little conspiracy territory, but just watch the clips.

I had tailgated for a few of the games in Pittsburgh, it was always an interesting scene, especially when you had no dog in the fight and could just sit back and watch all the back and forth, and a great rivalry that never got the coverage or notoriety it probably deserved.

[Ded As Ned]

48 minutes ago, Joe Pesci said:

This Bama/Florida game is pretty wild. Bama has 16 points without gaining a first down, returning an INT and a blocked punt for a TD, which Florida blocks the ensuing extra point and runs it back for 2.

That was fun while it lasted.  I've already switched back to basketball until the night games

[S John]

4 hours ago, Joe Pesci said:

I had tailgated for a few of the games in Pittsburgh, it was always an interesting scene, especially when you had no dog in the fight and could just sit back and watch all the back and forth, and a great rivalry that never got the coverage or notoriety it probably deserved.

In Morgantown the brawl is 90% WVU fans, but in Pittsburgh it's closer to 50/50 and mixed seating in the stadium.  Lots of shit talking goes on between the fans, I had a blast at the game I went to at Heinz.  

WVU won ugly today but they won.  10 wins!  And Holgorsen took a 5 yr extension, and the bball team got a top 10 win.  Not a bad day to be a Mountaineer!

[Michael Seswatha Jordan]

11 minutes ago, S John said:

WVU won ugly today but they won.  10 wins!  And Holgorsen took a 5 yr extension, and the bball team got a top 10 win.  Not a bad day to be a Mountaineer!

Holgs had a bit to say about the CF playoff committee in his post game presser. Said he was tired of biting his tongue about getting zero respect all year.

[IamMe90]

Badgers quickly change from dominating to dominated. Ugh. 

[S John]

1 hour ago, Michael Seswatha Jordan said:

Holgs had a bit to say about the CF playoff committee in his post game presser. Said he was tired of biting his tongue about getting zero respect all year.

Good.  It's been a bit of a slog for some WVU fans to accept Holgs.  Not for me personally, I knew he was one of us when he got wasted and kicked out of a casino.  But anyway, good to see he's learned to be a west virgninan, developing a chip on your shoulder is the first step.

[HokieStone]

Well, damn.  Clemson was clearly the better team, but we had our chances.  When they were up by 21 points, a lot of teams would have packed it in...proud of our boys for making it a game at the end.  Not being able to get points off the interception near the start of the 2nd half hurt...and giving up two long plays on their last TD drive was frustrating.  On offense, we desperately need a running game outside of running the QB up the middle.  I've known that all year, but out passing game was good enough to get by most of our opponents.  We'll see what bowl game we end up in.

[Joe Pesci]

I'll enjoy the Big Ten championship and trip to the Rose Bowl over getting walloped as the #4 by Alabama. Hell of a comeback by the Lions.

And man I hope the committee doesn't hop Michigan over Washington...

[Guest]

I am also hoping that Michigan doesn't hop over Washington.  What is the point of the whole power 5 thing if a strong champion from one can easily be displaced by just one of the four top teams from another?  

Washington's only loss is to USC who is now looking like the best team not named Alabama, and they hammered a good Colorado team in that championship game.  It's not that Michigan or Penn State are undeserving.  It's that if Washington can be displaced in this scenario than anything goes, it would seem.  

[lokisnow]

I know all the journalists disagree and Ohio state is clearly the second best team going into this weekend, but they are on a bye and the 3&4 teams both won and became conference champions this weekend, they both move up Ohio state moves down.  Sucks for Ohio state, but they should win on the field rather than taking a bye and expecting to be rewarded for it.

so I think the initial playoff committee rankings come up with the only honest conclusion 

1 Alabama 

2 clemson

3 washington

4 Ohio state

but wait there's more. Penn state won and has to move up Wisconsin lost and has to move down, Oklahoma won and has to move up. And like Ohio state, Michigan is on a bye and has to move down.two spots like Ohio state sounds right, so that yields for the PFC 

5 penn state

6 oklahoma

7 Michigan 

so now you are looking at a top five with the team penn state beat ranked one ahead of it, the team that didn't win their division or conference ranked ahead of the team that did both.  

So the PFC asks itself, should Ohio state be rewarded for taking a bye the final week rather than winning on the field like the other five teams in the top six? Should Ohio state be rewarded for running up the score in regular season games to build momentum in the press? And should the PFC invalidate the regular season division play and say that winning on the field is less important than subjective one-eye tests about which team of the moment is giving ESPN talking heads the most robust hardons. 

I think with four and five in the initial rankings neck and neck, debate ensues amongst the PFC and I think penn state wins out and becomes ranked four and Ohio state drops to fifth in the rankings. Because penn state has head to head, division title, and conference title, Ohio state has none. Ohio state beat they two big 10 teams that didn't win their conference and one team that did win their conference, but that team couldn't make it into the playoff either.

 

 

 

[Rhom]

6 hours ago, lokisnow said:

I know all the journalists disagree and Ohio state is clearly the second best team going into this weekend, but they are on a bye and the 3&4 teams both won and became conference champions this weekend, they both move up Ohio state moves down.  Sucks for Ohio state, but they should win on the field rather than taking a bye and expecting to be rewarded for it.

so I think the initial playoff committee rankings come up with the only honest conclusion 

1 Alabama 

2 clemson

3 washington

4 Ohio state

but wait there's more. Penn state won and has to move up Wisconsin lost and has to move down, Oklahoma won and has to move up. And like Ohio state, Michigan is on a bye and has to move down.two spots like Ohio state sounds right, so that yields for the PFC 

5 penn state

6 oklahoma

7 Michigan 

so now you are looking at a top five with the team penn state beat ranked one ahead of it, the team that didn't win their division or conference ranked ahead of the team that did both.  

So the PFC asks itself, should Ohio state be rewarded for taking a bye the final week rather than winning on the field like the other five teams in the top six? Should Ohio state be rewarded for running up the score in regular season games to build momentum in the press? And should the PFC invalidate the regular season division play and say that winning on the field is less important than subjective one-eye tests about which team of the moment is giving ESPN talking heads the most robust hardons. 

I think with four and five in the initial rankings neck and neck, debate ensues amongst the PFC and I think penn state wins out and becomes ranked four and Ohio state drops to fifth in the rankings. Because penn state has head to head, division title, and conference title, Ohio state has none. Ohio state beat they two big 10 teams that didn't win their conference and one team that did win their conference, but that team couldn't make it into the playoff either.

 

 

 

The counter to that argument is that Ohio State stays in the playoffs because Ohio State.

[sperry]

There is nothing worse than the pedophile-enablers at Penn State having success in football after they put their program over the lives of innocent children for decades.

[Michael Seswatha Jordan]

10 hours ago, S John said:

Good.  It's been a bit of a slog for some WVU fans to accept Holgs.  Not for me personally, I knew he was one of us when he got wasted and kicked out of a casino.  But anyway, good to see he's learned to be a west virgninan, developing a chip on your shoulder is the first step.

Lol, I liked your reasoning with the casino incident, a great indicator. Yea, I mean he didn't say we deserved to be in the talks about the Playoff, but can't see how we're ranked 16 and behind a bunch of 3 loss teams. I mean we've won ugly a bunch this year, but we win and that's the point of football, to win the game. And, I can remember years of Bama winning very ugly games, staying #1, and passing the eye-test......because SEC. Yea, I'm glad he is getting pissed off like the rest of us.

Skyler Howard. Man, he has earned my respect this year and no one can ever question his toughness, but Grier will be a breath of fresh air. At least last night the Eers' fan gave him a warm reception on SR night, long overdue. Hey, he won 10 games as a major college QB and no one can take that from him. But, I'd venture to say he's the reason we won a lot of ugly games. Because we can run the ball and have a stable of RB's.

[Joe Pesci]

53 minutes ago, sperry said:

There is nothing worse than the pedophile-enablers at Penn State having success in football after they put their program over the lives of innocent children for decades.

Yeah, none of the scumfucks who were involved have had anything to do with the school in years. It's a shame when the sickening actions (and mainly the inactions) of a few (Paterno included) are used to label all of the others at the school who had nothing to do with it or were even at the school at the time. Great work with your generalizations though, labeling innocent people as pedophile-enablers is so righteous...

And I am in no way condoning what happened there (I'd draw and quarter Sandusky, Spanier, Schultz, and Curley if I could), and yes, I went to Penn State.

[sperry]

5 minutes ago, Joe Pesci said:

Yeah, none of the scumfucks who were involved have had anything to do with the school in years. It's a shame when the sickening actions (and mainly the inactions) of a few (Paterno included) are used to label all of the others at the school who had nothing to do with it or were even at the school at the time. Great work with your generalizations though, labeling innocent people as pedophile-enablers is so righteous...

And I am in no way condoning what happened there (I'd draw and quarter Sandusky, Spanier, Schultz, and Curley if I could), and yes, I went to Penn State.

 

All of the fans and boosters contributed to the culture and lack of accountability that allowed this to happen. So while not at fault as individuals, collectively they were absolutely enablers. I've said it plenty of times, and before Penn State was relevant for the first time in a decade, but neither Baylor nor Penn State should have football programs.

[Joe Pesci]

2 minutes ago, sperry said:

 

All of the fans and boosters contributed to the culture and lack of accountability that allowed this to happen. So while not at fault as individuals, collectively they were absolutely enablers. I've said it plenty of times, and before Penn State was relevant for the first time in a decade, but neither Baylor nor Penn State should have football programs.

Dude you do know most major programs are like that. There is no accountability at any of these places, but calling unknowing fans and boosters enablers is ridiculous. 

[lokisnow]

4 hours ago, Rhom said:

The counter to that argument is that Ohio State stays in the playoffs because Ohio State.

Yup a program having won sixty years ago or thirty years ago or three years ago is definitely one of the most important qualifications for the sport. If a team didn't win in the fifties how could any person ever be expected to take that team seriously in 2016?

comgrats to Ohio state being rewarded for their bye and sliding in to the playoff on program reputation rather than succcess in 2016.

oklahoma should be ranked ahead of Michigan. 

[lokisnow]

1 hour ago, Joe Pesci said:

Yeah, none of the scumfucks who were involved have had anything to do with the school in years. It's a shame when the sickening actions (and mainly the inactions) of a few (Paterno included) are used to label all of the others at the school who had nothing to do with it or were even at the school at the time. Great work with your generalizations though, labeling innocent people as pedophile-enablers is so righteous...

And I am in no way condoning what happened there (I'd draw and quarter Sandusky, Spanier, Schultz, and Curley if I could), and yes, I went to Penn State.

On the other hand, the NCAA lifted all the sanctions they imposed after a few months so they really weren't affected as a program by the scandal.

the NCAA refused to lift USCs sanctions, the only sanctions comparable to what was imposed on penn state, because in the eyes of the NCAA one player secretly considering leaving his program early and talking to agents is obviously far worse than an entire program conspiring to cover up and continue to enable child rape for a thirty year period.

[Joe Pesci]

34 minutes ago, lokisnow said:

On the other hand, the NCAA lifted all the sanctions they imposed after a few months so they really weren't affected as a program by the scandal.

the NCAA refused to lift USCs sanctions, the only sanctions comparable to what was imposed on penn state, because in the eyes of the NCAA one player secretly considering leaving his program early and talking to agents is obviously far worse than an entire program conspiring to cover up and continue to enable child rape for a thirty year period.

I never brought up the sanctions, but I don't think they should have been lifted like they were (and it was longer than a few months). As for USC, I'm not informed of anything outside of all the Reggie Bush stuff that's common knowledge so I can't comment. I really don't want to get into a discussion over this, but can you show me of any proof where there was a program-wide conspiracy over 30 years to cover up what was happening. 3 people made the decision to ignore McQuearhy in 2001 and sweep it under the rug. Those people should and will rot in hell. My only point was it is wrong to label people as pedophile enablers that were clearly not.