Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Michael Seswatha Jordan said: So, almost finished Abbbadon's Gate and I'm really enjoying this series. Question. I noticed in the TV series thread as everyone referring to the Monsters as Caliban's. I got the reference, but in the book I don't recall them being referred to as Caliban's. Did I just miss that reference or was it made clear by some other means? I just finished a reread of Caliban's War and I don't believe they ever referred to them as Caliban's. Mostly referred to a proto-molecule soldiers, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Seswatha Jordan Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: I just finished a reread of Caliban's War and I don't believe they ever referred to them as Caliban's. Mostly referred to a proto-molecule soldiers, methinks. Yea, I never seen them referred to as Caliban's. Thinking maybe the author(s) made it clear or that's just the name fans gave them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I just found this on the Expanse Wikipedia entry: In addition, Andy Weir's novel The Martian takes place in the same continuity as The Expanse.[9] This link is made semi-canon with the mention of a ship named the Mark Watney, based "out of Mars," in Babylon's Ashes. Is Andy Weir on board with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Llama Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 The citation for the claim goes to the Cory twitter account where he -- "he" presumably being Ty Franck, since Abraham has his own twitter handle -- says he and Weir did a signing together and "agreed our books are in the same continuity," so it sounds like the answer is yes so far as that goes. That said, while I could well be surmising wrongly, this sounds to me like a fun little spur of the moment thing rather than something that's thought through and planned out and will have consequences; I suspect the conversation amounted to something like: "Hey, how about our books are in the same continuity? There is nothing in either that specifically prevents it from working and it will never matter." "Sure dude." "Excellent!" The beauty of it is that fans who want the two stories to share a continuity can have it that way, while any who don't can easily read the ship name in The Expanse as an easter egg or simply evidence that the series takes place in a universe in which The Martian exists as a book -- there are numerous other references to sf works in ship names etc as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 On 18/04/2017 at 1:35 AM, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: I just finished a reread of Caliban's War and I don't believe they ever referred to them as Caliban's. Mostly referred to a proto-molecule soldiers, methinks. The books seem to allude to classical, biblical, or mythical tropes (Caliban, Abaddon, Leviathan, Cibola, Nemesis) that the in-universe characters are not aware of. I quite like that and get the references (because I know my Shakespeare, history, etc.). I assume the TV show needs some way to dumb this down, so that viewers (who are assumed to be stupid) know why these strange names appear in the titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
End of Disc One Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Reading Babylon's Ashes and there's a ship called Witch of Endor. Does this take place in the same continuity as Star Wars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielAbraham Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Other sources are possible too.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_of_Endor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 hour ago, DanielAbraham said: Other sources are possible too.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_of_Endor Disney is coming for you. I've read all the books and love them. I'm listening to the audiobooks now. Great reader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 On 4/26/2017 at 9:14 AM, DanielAbraham said: Other sources are possible too.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_of_Endor Hmph. Learn something new every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leofric Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 The Witch of Endor was also the name of a ship in that Horatio Hornblower and his men stole when they escaped from prison in France in one of the Hornblower books by C.S.Forester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I have a stupid question. When Inaros was lobbing rocks at Earth why didn't he take a swing at Luna too? They wouldn't have been as effective, smaller gravity well to fall down and no atmosphere to depend upon and screw up, but it would have damaged the infrastructure of Earth's primary fall back point. As he obviously had rocks in reserve why didn't he take a swing at Luna too while he was beating the shit out of Earth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Leofric said: The Witch of Endor was also the name of a ship in that Horatio Hornblower and his men stole when they escaped from prison in France in one of the Hornblower books by C.S.Forester. Flying Colors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 On 28/04/2017 at 9:28 PM, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I have a stupid question. When Inaros was lobbing rocks at Earth why didn't he take a swing at Luna too? They wouldn't have been as effective, smaller gravity well to fall down and no atmosphere to depend upon and screw up, but it would have damaged the infrastructure of Earth's primary fall back point. As he obviously had rocks in reserve why didn't he take a swing at Luna too while he was beating the shit out of Earth? Most of the time Marco doesn't really seem to be thinking particularly strategically, and he probably likes the symbolism of the rocks hitting Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, williamjm said: Most of the time Marco doesn't really seem to be thinking particularly strategically, and he probably likes the symbolism of the rocks hitting Earth. He also didn't see how he screwed the belt sideways by destroying the Solar System's largest source of food and manufactured goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xray the Enforcer Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 No, I'm pretty sure he knew what would happen. He just thought that they were acceptable casualties in order to make it to the end-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 9 hours ago, Xray the Enforcer said: No, I'm pretty sure he knew what would happen. He just thought that they were acceptable casualties in order to make it to the end-game. In BA he seems to not really understand that he has put the Belt on a course for starvation as Inaros kept dismissing the warning from his own Economics adviser that Inaros had hugely screwed the pooch food and manufactured materials wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 On 4/4/2017 at 8:52 AM, Corvinus said: Cibola is one of the seven golden cities of myth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Cities_of_Gold_(myth), thus it probably refers to the planet where once again there is amazing dead tech "Cibola! Bumpty bump bump!" Trashcan man from The Stand by Steven King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 On 30/04/2017 at 4:55 PM, Xray the Enforcer said: No, I'm pretty sure he knew what would happen. He just thought that they were acceptable casualties in order to make it to the end-game. I recall a passage about him saying wars are won by giving 100% in the present and not holding back for the future eg no point in having a sound and stable economy/food supply if the enemy goes all out and beats you. Which is still insane but has a certain strategic value in simply winning if that's all you want to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperry Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Marco was just a bloodthirsty terrorist. The real Belter ideologists were people like Fred and Anderson, who had a strategic gameplan for how to get what they wanted for the Belt. Marco just hated Earthers and wanted to kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 21 minutes ago, sperry said: Marco was just a bloodthirsty terrorist. The real Belter ideologists were people like Fred and Anderson, who had a strategic gameplan for how to get what they wanted for the Belt. Marco just hated Earthers and wanted to kill them. I don't even think Marco hated earthers. I think Marco loved Marco. If Earthers would have given him awesome things, he would have been against them in a heartbeat. They were a useful goad. He hated Naomi far more than he hated Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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