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Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

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20 hours ago, Cas Stark said:

I still think he was brutally miscast, I thought actually they would recast him he was lame of a badass.  He will have to go a long way to being a believable/scary villain.

Torturing "Yara" would be kind of dull wouldn't it?  We already saw it all with Theon.  

Yeah, I don't know what Euron could do to Yara that could outdo what Ramsay did to Theon.

I also thought the show was moving away from the lady torture porn. It sounds like Obara, Nym, Olenna, and Tyene all get relatively swift deaths. I hope the writers don't use Yara as a punching bag to show how evil Euron supposedly is.

 

15 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

If his name is Aegon and he gets flamed, will he become Aegon Toast?

Hee hee. I think we can all agree that Aegon is a stupid name.

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I thought we know now his name is Jahaerys?  However it is spelled.  And that makes sense because the "J" could be misread in the show as just an "a" especially if they had her mouth it that way on purpose.

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3 hours ago, Newstar said:

 I think we can all agree that Aegon is a stupid name.

Aegon is a good name but just not for Jon Snow.

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On 6/16/2017 at 0:22 AM, CaptainTheo said:

Exactly, hence calling him Aegon would be extremely confusing and the opposite of what D&D have done before, as not only does it mean two Aegons in the show (three, if you count Maester Aemon referring to his brother Egg), but they are both sons of Rhaegar.

Prince Aegon was mentioned all of once in Season 3.  He's not an actual character; nobody would be confused by that.

As to whether that could ever be Jon's name in the books, the only way that would happen is if Lyanna named him that herself, since they'd have gotten word of the sack of KL and the murder of the royal family by the time Jon was born.  So it's not impossible, even if I wouldn't call it terribly likely.

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Re Jon's name: maybe it is really Aegon or whatever but Ned named him Jon because he could hardly run around with a dragon family name?

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On 6/15/2017 at 5:53 PM, Newstar said:

Yes, it could be, although we're not going to find out until S8 whether Dany is pregnant.

As for Jon, he doesn't seem like the type to have sex without feeling some sort of attachment, either in the books or the show.

 

Well, who is to say how much time elapses between episode 1 and episode 8 in season 7?. I don't think it will take much for the viewers to become emotionally invested in the pairing as they are already quite familiar with both characters, it's not the same as it would be should the show be introducing a new character for Jon and or Dany to fall in love with. 

As for Jon's emotional investment and how fast it develops for Dany, don't forget that Dany is abandoning her life long dream of conquering KL, and coming to Jon's and the North's aid. While it could be argued that in doing so, she is also looking our for her own interests, but no one can argue that it is the Northerners that would be the first to die when the wall comes down. I am quite sure this has a lot of influence on Jon, as well it should. 

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On 6/16/2017 at 0:10 PM, Newstar said:

If the leaks are to be believed, he kills Obara and Nym quickly, and it's Cersei who's responsible for Ellaria and Tyene's fates, so I'm not sure what he's referencing here unless Euron is shown to be doing unspeakable things to redshirt characters to establish his eeeeeeeevil cred, or if he does something really terrible to Yara (and again, it would have to be really, really, really terrible to top Ramsay).

Be curious to see if Bronn attempts to save Tyene, and then hooks up with Jamie and heads North............

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4 hours ago, Short Claw said:

Be curious to see if Bronn attempts to save Tyene, and then hooks up with Jamie and heads North............

Only Jaime.

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18 hours ago, Lord Friendzone said:

Aegon is a good name but just not for Jon Snow.

I agree. It would have been stupid for Rhaegar to have two sons named Aegon. That said, I have no idea whether TV canon recognizes Elia's son as Aegon.

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5 minutes ago, Risto said:

I agree. It would have been stupid for Rhaegar to have two sons named Aegon. That said, I have no idea whether TV canon recognizes Elia's son as Aegon.

Thoros did mentioned Aegon and Rhaenys in season 3 but never as Elia's children. People can make the connection. The thing is D&D do not care for continuity and they go forward randomly as they see fit.

 

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1 hour ago, Lord Friendzone said:

Thoros did mentioned Aegon and Rhaenys in season 3 but never as Elia's children. People can make the connection. The thing is D&D do not care for continuity and they go forward randomly as they see fit.

 

targaryrn babes. it's just super clear. Then we have season 4 and Oberyn wanting to be in the trial by combat for Elia. And iirc her kids. But yeah they might forget their own continuity? It would not look good on the writers though of it's true.

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19 minutes ago, Meera of Tarth said:

targaryrn babes. it's just super clear. Then we have season 4 and Oberyn wanting to be in the trial by combat for Elia. And iirc her kids. But yeah they might forget their own continuity? It would not look good on the writers though of it's true.

Like they care. ^_^

You know how much they like to provoke book readers and making changes to already established plotlines, lines, names or characters themselves.

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On 2017-6-17 at 9:53 AM, Newstar said:

Yeah, I don't know what Euron could do to Yara that could outdo what Ramsay did to Theon.

I also thought the show was moving away from the lady torture porn. It sounds like Obara, Nym, Olenna, and Tyene all get relatively swift deaths. I hope the writers don't use Yara as a punching bag to show how evil Euron supposedly is.

 

Hee hee. I think we can all agree that Aegon is a stupid name.

Reveal Euron raped little Yara and Theon, with flashback included. Worst part is it'd be in character

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Turns out Empire magazine didn't have insider information about Jon's true name; they just passed off the Jaehaerys theory as if it were fact:

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A year ago, I wrote a theory that Jon Snow's real name was revealed by Lyanna in the Tower of Joy scene. If you want to read that theory, you can do so here.

After seeing all the posts about the Empire magazine spread seemingly confirming my theory as fact, I reached out to the author, Dan Jolin.

He confirmed that they had not gotten official confirmation of the name Jaehaerys for their magazine piece, and that it was based solely on my theory.

I thought you all would want to know, because as much as I'd love to have my theory validated, it has not been confirmed YET.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/6hwrfc/everything_no_empire_magazine_didnt_confirm_my/dj1pndm/

 

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I'm no Aemon Targaryen ( ;) ) ... but when Jon Snow 'innocently' refers to himself in AGOT as being no Aemon Targaryen, that seems to have GRRM's 'irony fingerprints' all over it -- and the foreshadowing clues seem to be more forthcoming in AGOT than in later books.  It is possible that it's just that Aemon is just the secret Targaryen in the NW like Jon, but it seems something more than that.  And Aemon's renunciation of the throne seems very Jon ... we may yet see the same from Jon, giving it up in favour of his aunt (Dany) or uncle (Tyrion).

AGOT, Jon VIII:

A toothless smile quivered on the ancient lips. "Only a maester of the Citadel, bound in service to Castle Black and the Night's Watch. In my order, we put aside our house names when we take our vows and don the collar." The old man touched the maester's chain that hung loosely around his thin, fleshless neck. "My father was Maekar, the First of his Name, and my brother Aegon reigned after him in my stead. My grandfather named me for Prince Aemon the Dragonknight, who was his uncle, or his father, depending on which tale you believe.
Aemon, he called me …"
 
"Aemon  Targaryen?" Jon could scarcely believe it.
 
"Once," the old man said. "Once. So you see, Jon, I do know … and knowing, I will not tell you stay or go. You must make that choice yourself, and live with it all the rest of your days. As I have." His voice fell to a whisper. "As I have …"

((Also father/uncle issue resonates.))

AGOT, Jon IX:

But he had not left the Wall for that; he had left because he was after all his father's son, and Robb's brother. The gift of a sword, even a sword as fine as Longclaw, did not make him a Mormont. Nor was he Aemon Targaryen ...

ASOS, Jon VI:

Aemon Targaryen, Jon thought, a king's son and a king's brother and a king who might have been. But he said nothing.

(king's son = Jon is Rhaegar's son; king's brother = Jon is Robb the KITN's brother; king who might of been (as either Robb's or Rhaegar's heir = Jon himself)

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13 hours ago, Aemon Targaryen said:

I'm no Aemon Targaryen ( ;) ) ... but when Jon Snow 'innocently' refers to himself in AGOT as being no Aemon Targaryen, that seems to have GRRM's 'irony fingerprints' all over it -- and the foreshadowing clues seem to be more forthcoming in AGOT than in later books.  It is possible that it's just that Aemon is just the secret Targaryen in the NW like Jon, but it seems something more than that.  And Aemon's renunciation of the throne seems very Jon ... we may yet see the same from Jon, giving it up in favour of his aunt (Dany) or uncle (Tyrion). (...)

ASOS, Jon VI:

Aemon Targaryen, Jon thought, a king's son and a king's brother and a king who might have been. But he said nothing.

(king's son = Jon is Rhaegar's son; king's brother = Jon is Robb the KITN's brother; king who might of been (as either Robb's or Rhaegar's heir = Jon himself)

Oooooooh, that's good. I'd seen the other quotes, but I never noticed the ASOS Jon VI one. (I mean, technically Jon isn't Robb's brother, only his cousin, but yeah.)

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13 hours ago, Aemon Targaryen said:

I'm no Aemon Targaryen ( ;) ) ... but when Jon Snow 'innocently' refers to himself in AGOT as being no Aemon Targaryen, that seems to have GRRM's 'irony fingerprints' all over it -- and the foreshadowing clues seem to be more forthcoming in AGOT than in later books.  It is possible that it's just that Aemon is just the secret Targaryen in the NW like Jon, but it seems something more than that.  And Aemon's renunciation of the throne seems very Jon ... we may yet see the same from Jon, giving it up in favour of his aunt (Dany) or uncle (Tyrion).

AGOT, Jon VIII:

A toothless smile quivered on the ancient lips. "Only a maester of the Citadel, bound in service to Castle Black and the Night's Watch. In my order, we put aside our house names when we take our vows and don the collar." The old man touched the maester's chain that hung loosely around his thin, fleshless neck. "My father was Maekar, the First of his Name, and my brother Aegon reigned after him in my stead. My grandfather named me for Prince Aemon the Dragonknight, who was his uncle, or his father, depending on which tale you believe.
Aemon, he called me …"
 
"Aemon  Targaryen?" Jon could scarcely believe it.
 
"Once," the old man said. "Once. So you see, Jon, I do know … and knowing, I will not tell you stay or go. You must make that choice yourself, and live with it all the rest of your days. As I have." His voice fell to a whisper. "As I have …"

((Also father/uncle issue resonates.))

AGOT, Jon IX:

But he had not left the Wall for that; he had left because he was after all his father's son, and Robb's brother. The gift of a sword, even a sword as fine as Longclaw, did not make him a Mormont. Nor was he Aemon Targaryen ...

ASOS, Jon VI:

Aemon Targaryen, Jon thought, a king's son and a king's brother and a king who might have been. But he said nothing.

(king's son = Jon is Rhaegar's son; king's brother = Jon is Robb the KITN's brother; king who might of been (as either Robb's or Rhaegar's heir = Jon himself)

Interesting!, but Rhaegar was not KIng

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New trailer's out!!! Lots of new stuff, too!

4chan leak about Bran controlling ravens seems to be true.

Bran has a wheelchair at Winterfell.

Other things that are new:

-more of Sansa's slow-motion walk away from the tree from the HBO year-ender promo

-applauding crowd in the streets of KL

-Dany at Dragonstone, looking at a Stannis banner and yanking it down

-various shots of Tyrion looking concerned

-Pod and Brienne in the Winterfell courtyard

-Unsullied falling (felled by an arrow), Dothraki riding into shield wall

-flock of ravens noticed by the NK, cut to Bran who seems to be at the weirwood tree next to...someone (I thought it was Sansa, but it's some balding dude...?)

-Beric's sword lighting on fire

-Jaime riding through the flames (I'm guessing this is his last-minute suicidal dash at Dany)

-various shots of the attack on Yara and Theon's ships (Yara and Theon looking up at an explosion)

-Jon standing on a rock while a bunch of wights scramble to reach him

-Grey Worm and Missandei kissing

-shot of Sandor drawing his sword (looks like it's from the dragonpit)

-Jon and Davos at what looks like Dragonstone

-a WW fighting someone wearing wildling-type furs (we can't see whom, but it looks like Jon)

-Theon collapsing on the Dragonstone beach (I think it's Theon)

-shot of Euron on his ship (looking terrifying, it's at 1:25)

-Dany mounted on Drogon, closeup of Drogon's jaws

-Jon cutting down someone (a wight) north of the Wall, while facing down a line of people (wights? Wildling redshirts?)

We get the voiceover from Sansa about the lone wolf dying and the pack surviving. (Not much Arya in the trailer, although the trailer does spoil Bran's return to Winterfell.)

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Many of the leaks seem to have bits of truth thrown in (Lads, 4chan, etc.). I think it would actually be brilliant for HBO to have had one of their employees "leak" misleading plot points (especially since reddit keeps getting quoted on different websites), but it does appear that a good number of the leaks are true. I will say, though, I'm going to laugh myself silly if it turns out that there's no JonxDany sex scene. 

I figured the Sansa-betrays-her-family subplot was BS, but this seems to debunk that even further. It's not like this is the first time we've been misled to believe that the story is going in a different direction (Darth Sansa, anyone?)

All this focus on Sansa is making me nervous though. With Cersei, I'm guessing they're pulling really hard for her to get that Emmy this year, but it looks like this may very well be Sansa's swan song. . . 

 

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