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Speculations, news, theories for season 7. (includes leaks )

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On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 10:50 AM, KINGpanther said:

I don't want to say it because Jon is my fav character but he is dumb. He is portrayed that way even after his stabbing betrayel he is made to be dumb. It pisses me off but that's how it is.

Jon is always dumb in the show unlike his book counterpart. I partly blame Kit's dumb expressions.

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On ‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 3:23 AM, Orphalesion said:

BS.

She blew the Seppt up for vengeance, not survival. 

 

On ‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 4:17 AM, maudisdottir said:

She blew it up to prevent a trial by sparrow. It was only when she was denied a trial by combat that she decided to blow up the "courtroom " and all the judges because she knew she wouldn't win. That's survival.

Both.  She could have fled Kings Landing. but  she chose to stay, because she wanted power.  Once trial by combat was banned, she was doomed unless she fled, or struck her enemies down. 

But, she also hated the High Sparrow, his followers, Margaery, and Ser Kevan, and took great satisfaction from wiping hem out.  And, she also wanted to have her fun with Septa Unella.

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11 hours ago, A Ghost of Someone said:

The show has already overly explored Cersei Lannister and everything about her. WHO CARES? She is as she has been since Season 1, the biggest villain in Westeros South of the Wall. Root the bitch out of her keep, kill her and be done with it FFS! She should have no army, no followers. Hell, Stannis lost half of his army for burning his own daughter on the advice of a Priestess, Cersie (because she was going to lose a trial and everyone knows she was/is guilty of just about all charges) blew up the equivalent of MECCA, St Peters and the Shrine of Budha with half of her own kin in it and her supporters and Army grows?

In what world Stannis would lose his supporters and Cersei would not? D&D's bizzaro world. It's disgusting to think she would have enough power to have leverage against Dany and Jon.

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On ‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 11:39 AM, Orphalesion said:

Come to think of it even Margaery could have at least kicked the sparrow who blocked her way in the balls. Might not have gotten her completely outside, but would have been worth a shot.

The whole downfall of the Tyrells in the show simply relied on far too many people conveniently forgetting stuff or failing to do stuff.

1) Olenna, Margaery and Loras conveniently forget that someone who squired for Loras would know about the birthmark because he'd be required to help him in and out of his armour.

Edit: 1.5) Also the weird circumstance that Loras, the heir to Highgarden would have some nobody squire for him instead of the son of one of the Tyrell's banner men.

2)Margaery conveniently decides to go to the Sept on her own, rather than with Tommen. Even if she was mad at him, appearances and decorum would have required them to rock up together. 

3) The High Sparrow conveniently fails to have Cersei escorted to the trial (you'd think that might be important to him)

4)Everybody conveniently fails to notice that Cersei and Tommen are present until Margaery points it out. 

5) And finally a whole Sept full of people can be hindered from leaving by a circle of (not very burly looking) guys holding hands.

....what?

If Cersei had been found guilty of treason, incest, and murder, I think she would have been executed by the High Sparrow.

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24 minutes ago, khal drogon said:

In what world Stannis would lose his supporters and Cersei would not? D&D's bizzaro world. It's disgusting to think she would have enough power to have leverage against Dany and Jon.

Agreed 100%

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58 minutes ago, khal drogon said:

In what world Stannis would lose his supporters and Cersei would not? D&D's bizzaro world. It's disgusting to think she would have enough power to have leverage against Dany and Jon.

Agreed, its fanservice to have x character meet each other.

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1 hour ago, khal drogon said:

In what world Stannis would lose his supporters and Cersei would not? D&D's bizzaro world. It's disgusting to think she would have enough power to have leverage against Dany and Jon.

It was only his sellsword army that abandoned him. His true supporters and followers stayed with him to the very end. It'll be the same with Cersei.

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16 minutes ago, Dragon in the North said:

It was only his sellsword army that abandoned him. His true supporters and followers stayed with him to the very end. It'll be the same with Cersei.

Why?  What supporters are these?  She is no one's liege lord and has not ever had any "supporters" on her own unless she was paying them.  The Lannister bannermen were loyal to her father and to the Kings and the army to her uncle and brother...the kings are now dead, outed as incest bastards, and she murdered her uncle.  She's also a religious heretic to boot.  She never had any cadre of personal supporters like Stannis did. I understand why the show wishes this to be 'her season' and make her powerful, which is fine...but I just can't agree that this makes sense in the context of the story.  It's like much else of GOT, it works as a stand alone element when one doesn't seek to link it to previous plot points or think too hard about it.  LOL.

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6 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

Why?  What supporters are these?  She is no one's liege lord and has not ever had any "supporters" on her own unless she was paying them.  The Lannister bannermen were loyal to her father and to the Kings and the army to her uncle and brother...the kings are now dead, outed as incest bastards, and she murdered her uncle.  She's also a religious heretic to boot.  She never had any cadre of personal supporters like Stannis did. I understand why the show wishes this to be 'her season' and make her powerful, which is fine...but I just can't agree that this makes sense in the context of the story.  It's like much else of GOT, it works as a stand alone element when one doesn't seek to link it to previous plot points or think too hard about it.  LOL.

The Lannister soldiers have always followed her orders. Always. We haven't seen the Lannister army loyal to Kevan, and we only saw Jaime lead them after Cersei sent him to the Riverlands.

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does anyone know (more or less) the number of men that each side could have at this point?

Cersei and Euron/ Dany and Jon (including the allies of each side; Tarly, Dorne etc)

Edited by Meera of Tarth

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8 minutes ago, Dragon in the North said:

The Lannister soldiers have always followed her orders. Always. We haven't seen the Lannister army loyal to Kevan, and we only saw Jaime lead them after Cersei sent him to the Riverlands.

Sure, when she was the king's mother and Tommen's guardian, and when she hadn't committed any massive kin slaying or religious atrocities.  There is now no reason for anyone but Qyburn to be loyal to her.

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11 hours ago, Dragon in the North said:

Stannis only lost his sellsword army after he burned Shireen. The men who have been with him from the very beginning and served him out of duty remained loyal. As for who cares about Cersei, I do, for one. To me, she is by far the most compelling human antagonist and I'm looking forward to her scenes next season. During the entire series, the Lannister army has always been loyal. They've followed every order that Cersei has given them without question, so them remaining loyal is consistent with how the show has portrayed them. And I don't know what you're getting so worked up about. Cersei's still alive and kicking in the books as well, and it's clear she has a much bigger role to play.

The Lannister army has been loyal - but loyal to who? Tywin? Jaime? Cersei? Is it the person who spurs the loyalty, or total devotion to the Lannister cause no matter what? If Cersei is somehow still a power in seaosn 7 it seems to be the latter.

Back in season 2 Varys asked Tyrion his famous question about power. In the case of the Lannister army this seems to have been ignored. Cersei cannot offer money because the Lannisters are skint. She cannot offer religon because she destroyed the largest place of worship in Westeros. She can offer her name, but even that is tarnished - she's a woman in a patriarchal society who has been publicly paraded naked through the streets and committed an act of terrorism which killed her son's wife, a religious leader and her own uncle. Does none of that matter? They are still willing to fight and die simply because Cersei is a Lannister. Less a real army, more stormtroopers or orcs.

I wish the Starks could command such loyalty in their men.

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1 hour ago, Cas Stark said:

Sure, when she was the king's mother and Tommen's guardian, and when she hadn't committed any massive kin slaying or religious atrocities.  There is now no reason for anyone but Qyburn to be loyal to her.

And because she's, you know, a Lannister.

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24 minutes ago, Dragon in the North said:

And because she's, you know, a Lannister.

She is a Lannister who has killed a Lannister, as well

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We are assuming that what happened at the Sept was common knowledge. Most people might not even know exactly what happened, nonetheless who exactly was inside. Cersei could always blame someone else for the Sept, there have been theories that she blames Dorne, hence the cheering crowds when Euron takes Ellaria to the Red Keep.

Maybe Cersei lies about how Kevan dies, using the good old "poisoned by our enemies" tactic. 

Or maybe, the hordes of Lannister soldiers aren't as fanatically loyal to Kevan Lannister as you are expecting. Maybe they do what they're told because they are soldiers and that is their job. Maybe they don't really give a rat's ass whose in charge as long as they're paid and protected. 

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2 hours ago, Dragon in the North said:

It was only his sellsword army that abandoned him. His true supporters and followers stayed with him to the very end. It'll be the same with Cersei

What true supporters? As far as I have seen she has blownup the holiest place of the native religion. This should have triggered a revolution considering the fact that the city already had mob riots often. The Last time Aerys burned two lords there was a rebellion that overthrew them. Now not only she burned the queen and lords but also the religious leader. It's a joke that the Lannisters and Greyjoys has enough men to take on The North, Reach, Dorne, the Vale and Dany's gargantuan army.

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2 minutes ago, khal drogon said:

What true supporters? As far as I have seen she has blownup the holiest place of the native religion. This should have triggered a revolution considering the fact that the city already had mob riots often. The Last time Aerys burned two lords there was a rebellion that overthrew them. Now not only she burned the queen and lords but also the religious leader. It's a joke that the Lannisters and Greyjoys has enough men to take on The North, Reach, Dorne, the Vale and Dany's gargantuan army.

once, you mean. there was one mob riot, in season two. and that was due to starvation, not a protest against the royals.

And no, the Lannisters and the Greyjoys do not take on the North, in any capacity. Nor do they take on the Vale, in any capacity. Dorne and the Reach are Dany's "gargantuan" army, not independent factions. Did you read the leaks?

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6 minutes ago, dsug said:

We are assuming that what happened at the Sept was common knowledge. Most people might not even know exactly what happened, nonetheless who exactly was inside. Cersei could always blame someone else for the Sept, there have been theories that she blames Dorne, hence the cheering crowds when Euron takes Ellaria to the Red Keep.

Maybe Cersei lies about how Kevan dies, using the good old "poisoned by our enemies" tactic. 

Or maybe, the hordes of Lannister soldiers aren't as fanatically loyal to Kevan Lannister as you are expecting. Maybe they do what they're told because they are soldiers and that is their job. Maybe they don't really give a rat's ass whose in charge as long as they're paid and protected. 

Nah. The Queen has a trial. The sept blows up killing everyone. The Queen crowns herself infront of people who look terrified. The events show it is common knowledge. 

The show has become non-sensical enough to have people cheer for her for no apparent reason. I can't understand your optimism with the show.

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Just now, khal drogon said:

Nah. The Queen has a trial. The sept blows up killing everyone. The Queen crowns herself infront of people who look terrified. The events show it is common knowledge. 

The show has become non-sensical enough to have people cheer for her for no apparent reason. I can't understand your optimism with the show.

No, they don't. 

And you seem very certain that the people clap for her for "no apparent reason." Can I borrow your copy of season seven, since you've clearly already seen it in full? 

And what I can't understand is the constant trolling of the SHOW FORUM by people who hate the SHOW. If you hate it so much, go away. No one's keeping forcing you to be here. This site as a whole would be a whole lot more pleasant if people who hated the show and trashed other posters' "optimism" about it every chance they got. 

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LMAO.  Somebody else blew up the Sept that just so happened to be full of people for Cersei's trial and she so happened to be the only person not inside the Sept, except her son, who killed himself.  It's true that GOT show characters are generally not too bright, so I suppose that is possible, that everyone would think how lucky that Cersei is the sole person who escaped, and coincidentally, the only person who benefited by all those people being dead.  

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