Dr. Pepper Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Obviously the first thought is what sort of businesses Trump has or wants to have in Taiwan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Walker Texas Ranger Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 After this, and the Pakistan thing, I think foreign leaders should just ignore what Trump does. Conduct all serious business with Pence and Romney/Petraeus. Trump probably just wants to open a hotel or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 14 minutes ago, SpaceChampion said: Member when elections had consequences? Oh, yeah, I member: Trumpgrets edition. The tweets from former Congressman Joe Walsh are kind of amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 I think we can take this as a sign that Palin will not be in Trump's cabinet: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/sarah-palin-donald-trump-carrier-deal-crony-capitalism-232139 35 minutes ago, White Walker Texas Ranger said: After this, and the Pakistan thing, I think foreign leaders should just ignore what Trump does. Conduct all serious business with Pence and Romney/Petraeus. Trump probably just wants to open a hotel or something. Don't forget about his phone call with the Dictator President of Kazakhstan: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/politics/trumps-off-the-cuff-remarks-to-world-leaders-leave-diplomats-aghast.html Quote r. Trump’s call with President Nursultan A. Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan raised similar questions. Mr. Nazarbayev has ruled his country with an iron hand since 1989, first as head of the Communist Party and later as president after Kazakhstan won its independence from the Soviet Union. In April 2015, he won a fifth term, winning 97.7 percent of the vote and raising suspicions of fraud. The Kazakh government, in its account of Mr. Trump’s conversation, said he had lavished praise on the president for his leadership of the country over the last 25 years. “D. Trump stressed that under the leadership of Nursultan Nazarbayev, our country over the years of independence had achieved fantastic success that can be called a ‘miracle,’” it said. Seriously though, they probably will try to talk with Pence. From all accounts I've read and heard, Pence is studying around the clock while Trump hasn't done much of anything to prepare for the office he's about to ascend to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Mikael said: The long list of posters here that has gone bananas every time *working class* has been mentioned? I know you said this would be your last post, but forgive me for responding anyway. There is no such 'long list': you may be confusing those who get irked about the focus on the white working class specifically, to the exclusion of minority voters of all classes. Working class minorities are generally hit harder by both class and race issues. Economic equality is therefore very much a high priority concern for working class minority voters, and indeed for many other minority voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Just now, Bold Barry Whitebeard said: anti-socialists don't see tax breaks as 'paying' a company, since that implies that the money belongs to the government. It's letting the company keep their own money. Also, it's 1,069 jobs, and it's likely the incentives had little to do with it as they were planning on saving $65 million by moving the plant to Mexico. And as long as each of those jobs pays roughly $6,550 in taxes a year then that 7 million will still be paid to the government. Well, well, "anti-socialist" don't see it as paying the company. Well, goody for them. Somebody get them a cookie. You know, I hate to break the news to you. But, government goodies are often doled out through the tax code. There isn't a dime's worth difference here, between just writing them a check or giving them a tax break. Not in reality. It just form over substance. So called "anti-socialist" probably don't think that tariffs aren't redistribution too. But, they are. Not that I'm opposed to doing some redistribution, where free trade is concerned. I'd just rather to do it a little bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Here is what pisses me off about the crowd that always cries about "socialism". Personally, I think there some long term benefits to free trade and immigration. One includes better long term growth. The other it has the ability to pull a lot of people out of poverty throughout the world. And thirdly, I think it has the potential to foster better cooperation between nations, perhaps making peace more likely. But, free trade no doubt is going to have some losers. That ought not be surprising. That's pretty much what standard free trade models say. Now, naturally, the people that lose out aren't going to be happy getting a few bread crumbs and then being told to read Johnny's Galt's speech. And so, you get a political backlash. Perhaps leading to a world of autarky which I don't think is good in the long run. The upshot, is that these free trade issues have to be handled intelligently. And that means, doing some wealth redistribution, even if it's "socialism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 14 minutes ago, OldGimletEye said: Here is what pisses me off about the crowd that always cries about "socialism". It's the lack of a cognizant definition of the word for those folks that drives me nuts. Don't try and sell me any socialist programs and keep your stinking paws off my Medicare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: It's the lack of a cognizant definition of the word for those folks that drives me nuts. Don't try and sell me any socialist programs and keep your stinking paws off my Medicare! Don't call the Marines, stay off the freeways and by all means, back away from the Post Office. Socialism is for DFH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Just now, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: It's the lack of a cognizant definition of the word for those folks that drives me nuts. Don't try and sell me any socialist programs and keep your stinking paws off my Medicare! Yes, in some cases, socialism is quite popular. But, whatever you do, don't call it socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Dr. Pepper said: Obviously the first thought is what sort of businesses Trump has or wants to have in Taiwan. I'm going with concierge-style military jet detailing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, larrytheimp said: I'm going with concierge-style military jet detailing . Too tall hotels with windmill hating golf courses right next to a yuge (sea) wall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kalbear Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 14 hours ago, Gorn said: When poor people in an economically stricken area abandon your party in overwhelming numbers, while rich people join it, it means that your message and policy does not resonate among poor people. What other explanation do you provide for a loss of 1,5 million lower and middle class voters in just five states? It's not (primarily) racism, since only 360 000 could have possibly flipped to Trump, and this number is probably much smaller, since some Trump voters must be new voters. Here's the problem with that - what evidence do you have that it was poor people? You don't. 14 hours ago, Gorn said: Democratic party lost 7 million voters between 2008 and 2016, despite the fact that population has grown, demographics are more favorable to them and they faced the worst presidential candidate in history. They are in the minority in every single level of government (48/100 Senate seats, 186/435 Congress seats, 18/50 governorships, 836/1972 state upper house seats, 2344/5411 state lower house seats). Things are not fine the way they are, and present policies are not working. Democratic party lost about 4 million voters, max. Clinton has over 65 million votes as of this writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 5 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: It is far too soon to make that prediction without it being a wild ass guess. Not really. It has been very rare for a president to last a single term in the US. Especially in modern times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Scribe of Naath Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 4 hours ago, Dr. Pepper said: Obviously the first thought is what sort of businesses Trump has or wants to have in Taiwan. Well there you go: http://shanghaiist.com/2016/11/18/trump_taiwan_expand.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Castel Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 I legitimately don't understand what's going on. Wasn't she aiming for VA Secretary? I mean, she's been behind him for a while and now she jumps ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Do some of them actually have real principles or morals or common sense? Is god real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Castel said: I legitimately don't understand what's going on. Wasn't she aiming for VA Secretary? I mean, she's been behind him for a while and now she jumps ship? I imagine she was snubbed or felt slighted. Maybe she reread "Going Rogue" and got all hyped up or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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