Lost Melnibonean

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The hardest part had been getting down on his hands and knees to pull the strongbox from underneath Archmaester Walgrave's bed. Though the box was stoutly made and bound with iron, its lock was broken. Maester Gormon had suspected Pate of breaking it, but that wasn't true. Walgrave had broken the lock himself, after losing the key that opened it.

Inside, Pate had found a bag of silver stags, a lock of yellow hair tied up in a ribbon, a painted miniature of a woman who resembled Walgrave (even to her mustache), and a knight's gauntlet made of lobstered steel. The gauntlet had belonged to a prince, Walgrave claimed, though he could no longer seem to recall which one. When Pate shook it, the key fell out onto the floor. (Prologue in A Feast for Crows)

Could this have belonged to Aemon, the last prince to study at the Citadel?  

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1 hour ago, dornishdame said:

The hardest part had been getting down on his hands and knees to pull the strongbox from underneath Archmaester Walgrave's bed. Though the box was stoutly made and bound with iron, its lock was broken. Maester Gormon had suspected Pate of breaking it, but that wasn't true. Walgrave had broken the lock himself, after losing the key that opened it.

Inside, Pate had found a bag of silver stags, a lock of yellow hair tied up in a ribbon, a painted miniature of a woman who resembled Walgrave (even to her mustache), and a knight's gauntlet made of lobstered steel. The gauntlet had belonged to a prince, Walgrave claimed, though he could no longer seem to recall which one. When Pate shook it, the key fell out onto the floor. (Prologue in A Feast for Crows)

Could this have belonged to Aemon, the last prince to study at the Citadel?  

Aemon had joined the Citadel by the age of nine or ten. I'm not sure if he ever received a knight's gauntlet. Would it have fit him at such a young age? And if he had received one as child, would he have been allowed to bring it with him, considering you are to give up your family once you take your vows? His dragon egg does not appear to have been with him at Castle Black, as far as we know (or Jon, Melisandre or Sam should happen to find it in TWOW/ADOS), for example.

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45 minutes ago, Rhaenys_Targaryen said:

Aemon had joined the Citadel by the age of nine or ten. I'm not sure if he ever received a knight's gauntlet. Would it have fit him at such a young age? And if he had received one as child, would he have been allowed to bring it with him, considering you are to give up your family once you take your vows? His dragon egg does not appear to have been with him at Castle Black, as far as we know (or Jon, Melisandre or Sam should happen to find it in TWOW/ADOS), for example.

Could Dunk and Egg have left it when they visited between the Hedge Knight and Sworn Sword?

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46 minutes ago, Horse of Kent said:

Could Dunk and Egg have left it when they visited between the Hedge Knight and Sworn Sword?

Shouldn't it then have been "a King's gauntlet", as Aegon eventually became king?

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1 hour ago, Horse of Kent said:

Could Dunk and Egg have left it when they visited between the Hedge Knight and Sworn Sword?

Or Bloodraven? He gives Dunk the money to ransom his armor, and his dragon egg was taken by an agent, one of the dwarfs, most likely. 

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19 minutes ago, Rhaenys_Targaryen said:

Shouldn't it then have been "a King's gauntlet", as Aegon eventually became king?

I disagree, I think that a gauntlet given by a prince would remain a prince's gauntlet even if the prince later became king. Even if your interpretation is correct, if Walgrave cannot remember which prince it was, how would he know they became a king? Or Dunk and Egg could have left it with Aemon for whatever reason and Aemon later gave it to Walgrave.

 

3 minutes ago, Crazy Cat Lady in Training said:

Or Bloodraven? He gives Dunk the money to ransom his armor, and his dragon egg was taken by an agent, one of the dwarfs, most likely. 

Bloodraven's proper title was Lord Brynden, no? Though I suppose Walgrave might not remember the difference.

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7 minutes ago, Horse of Kent said:

Bloodraven's proper title was Lord Brynden, no? Though I suppose Walgrave might not remember the difference.

Yes, but once he was legitimized, technically he would have been a prince, wouldn't he? And this might be irrelevant, but Dunk escorted Bloodraven to the Wall. The egg could still be there. 

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1 hour ago, Rhaenys_Targaryen said:

Shouldn't it then have been "a King's gauntlet", as Aegon eventually became king?

Nah, he still woulda been a prince when visited, to it belonged to a prince. 

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Umm. I believe that Oberyn is a prince too, even if he's not the ruler of Dorne. So the gaunlet probably belonged to Oberyn. Oberyn is a knight to boost.

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3 hours ago, Horse of Kent said:

I disagree, I think that a gauntlet given by a prince would remain a prince's gauntlet even if the prince later became king. Even if your interpretation is correct, if Walgrave cannot remember which prince it was, how would he know they became a king? Or Dunk and Egg could have left it with Aemon for whatever reason and Aemon later gave it to Walgrave.

That would entirely depend on who the prince was, and when Walgrave's memory went bad, I think :)

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2 hours ago, Schwarze Sonne said:

Umm. I believe that Oberyn is a prince too, even if he's not the ruler of Dorne. So the gaunlet probably belonged to Oberyn. Oberyn is a knight to boost.

And he forged two links on his chain at the Citadel.

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On 12/23/2016 at 6:40 PM, Crazy Cat Lady in Training said:

And he forged two links on his chain at the Citadel.

Actually he forged  six links.  Fairly impressive  considering  the short time that he was there.  Like father like daughter  with Sarella. 

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9 hours ago, Lord Wraith said:

Actually he forged  six links.  Fairly impressive  considering  the short time that he was there.  Like father like daughter  with Sarella. 

Was it six? Wow. He's a real Renaissance Man!

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On 19-12-2016 at 3:46 AM, Lost Melnibonean said:

Compare this...
" The spade slipped from Dunk’s hands. “Egg,” he cried, “run! We have to run!” But the sands were giving way beneath their feet. When the boy tried to scramble from the hole, its crumbling sides gave way and collapsed. Dunk saw the sands wash over Egg, burying him as he opened his mouth to shout. He tried to fight his way to him, but the sands were rising all around him, pulling him down into the grave, filling his mouth, his nose, his eyes… "

The Sworn Sword

To this...

"“Stay off the mud, child,” counseled Septon Meribald. “The mud is not fond of strangers. If you walk in the wrong place, it will open up and swallow you.” 

“It’s only mud,” insisted Podrick."

“Until it fills your mouth and starts creeping up your nose. Then it’s death.” He smiled to take the chill off his words. “Wipe off that mud and have a slice of orange, lad.”"

Brienne, Feast

Another hint at Brienne’s ancestry?

In ADWD Barristan compares Quentyn to mud:

"She wants fire, and Dorne sent her mud. You could make a poultice out of mud to cool a fever. You could plant seeds in mud and grow a crop to feed your children. Mud would nourish you, where fire would only consume you, but fools and children and young girls would choose fire every time"

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On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Schwarze Sonne said:

Umm. I believe that Oberyn is a prince too, even if he's not the ruler of Dorne. So the gaunlet probably belonged to Oberyn. Oberyn is a knight to boost.

This is the best answer I've seen to the question. Never even.... noticed that. :rolleyes:

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“Saltpans is just across the water,” said Septon Meribald, pointing north across the bay. “The brothers will ferry us over on the morning tide, though I fear what we shall find there. Let us enjoy a good hot meal before we face that. The brothers always have a bone to spare for Dog.” Dog barked and wagged his tail.

Brienne VI, Feast 31

I see what you did there, George. Now check this out...

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Brienne followed, taking care to keep close to the line of prints left by the dog, the donkey, and the holy man. Then came Podrick, and last of all Ser Hyle. A hundred yards out, Meribald turned abruptly toward the south, so his back was almost to the septry. He proceeded in that direction for another hundred yards, leading them between two shallow tidal pools. Dog stuck his nose in one and yelped when a crab pinched it with his claw. A brief but furious struggle ensued before the dog came trotting back, wet and mud-spattered, with the crab between his jaws.

Brienne, Feast 31

The George often substitutes crabs for crows as carrion feeders, i.e., death. So here, "dog" has conquered death. ;)

II

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The flats shimmered wetly all about them, mottled in half a hundred hues. The mud was such a dark brown it appeared almost black, but there were swathes of golden sand as well, upthrust rocks both grey and red, and tangles of black and green seaweed.

Brienne, Feast 31

The so-called brown dragon in The Mystery Knight was the black dragon. Jon Snow, assuming he is the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar, is a grey and red dragon, no? And as for that seaweed, well, there's that color combination again, and we know all about the the Dance of the Dragons the Blacks and the Greens, don't we? 

III

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“If you want their help, you need to make them love you. That was how Arthur Dayne did it, when we rode against the Kingswood Brotherhood. He paid the smallfolk for the food we ate, brought their grievances to King Aerys, expanded the grazing lands around their villages, even won them the right to fell a certain number of trees each year and take a few of the king’s deer during the autumn. The forest folk had looked to Toyne to defend them, but Ser Arthur did more for them than the Brotherhood could ever hope to do, and won them to our side. After that, the rest was easy."

Jaime, Feast 30

Is this bleeding hearts and minds allusion and the backstory for Jaime the only reason for the Kingswood Brotherhood? I never bought the White Fawn = Lemore theory. 

IV

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She had been a pretty girl, in truth; dimpled and delicate, with long auburn hair. Timid, though. Prone to tongue-tied silences and fits of giggles, ...

Jaime, Feast 30

Jaime is thinking about Lysa, but the description fits Sansa, no? 

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Just realized the path Dontos takes Sansa down after the PW is the same one LF uses to take Ned to the brothel

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“In Qohor he is the Black Goat, in Yi Ti the Lion of Night, in Westeros the Stranger. All men must bow to him in the end, no matter if they worship the Seven or the Lord of Light, the Moon Mother or the Drowned God or the Great Shepherd. All mankind belongs to him … else somewhere in the world would be a folk who lived forever. Do you know of any folk who live forever?”

Cat of the Canals, Feast 34

Why yes, yes I do...

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“The man who never reads lives only one. The singers of the forest had no books. No ink, no parchment, no written language. Instead they had the trees, and the weirwoods above all. When they died, they went into the wood, into leaf and limb and root, and the trees remembered. All their songs and spells, their histories and prayers, everything they knew about this world. Maesters will tell you that the weirwoods are sacred to the old gods. The singers believe they are the old gods. When singers die they become part of that godhood.”

Bran III, Dance 34

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that there is a House Goodbrother of Corpse Lake 

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