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Rothfuss XII: The Doors of Twitch

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24 minutes ago, Howdyphillip said:

I don't think you are paying attention to the conversation. I am not complaining about his lack of production. I am saying that I dislike the way he has handled it. He can feel free to write or not whenever or however he wishes, and I can feel free to read it or not the same. 

I have every right to say that I have felt lied to and manipulated by both him and his publishers.

I'm not contradicting you.  I'm saying your comment serves no purpose beyond, maybe, catharsis.

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Well, I think it serves at least another purpose of being clarifying for those that haven't followed the situation as closely.

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1 hour ago, Triskan said:

Well, I think it serves at least another purpose of being clarifying for those that haven't followed the situation as closely.

How many times does it need to be clarified in one thread to serve that purpose?

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I don't see what's wrong with catharsis. Some people are unhappy with Rothfuss and so come here to vent their frustration. I don't see why there needs to be any greater reason or purpose than that.

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31 minutes ago, Myshkin said:

I don't see what's wrong with catharsis. Some people are unhappy with Rothfuss and so come here to vent their frustration. I don't see why there needs to be any greater reason or purpose than that.

Does the need to bash Rothfuss have to be the primary purpose to what was, originally, the thread for discussing Rothfuss' novels?

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1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Does the need to bash Rothfuss have to be the primary purpose to what was, originally, the thread for discussing Rothfuss' novels?

The last Rothfuss novel came out six years ago. What more is there to discuss? Going back through this thread it seems to me that the "need to bash Rothfuss" is the only thing keeping it alive at this point. So I guess, yeah, it is the primary purpose of this thread now.

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Well, that's a lovely reason to post.

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It's as good a reason as any. 

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Whoa, whoa, WHOA. Are you saying Rothfuss doesn't personally read every single post?

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Like I said before, I think it might make more sense to have separate threads for discussing Rothfuss and the Kingkiller novels.

Of course, discussion of the novels seems to be dead, so maybe not...

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14 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Does the need to bash Rothfuss have to be the primary purpose to what was, originally, the thread for discussing Rothfuss' novels?

I'm pretty sure everyone would prefer discussing Doors of Stone. Alas, until that happens...

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On 3/19/2017 at 9:48 AM, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

I'm not contradicting you.  I'm saying your comment serves no purpose beyond, maybe, catharsis.

If serving a purpose is the litmus test, they might as well shut down the board and save the money they're spending on servers.

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40 minutes ago, Ninefingers said:

If serving a purpose is the litmus test, they might as well shut down the board and save the money they're spending on servers.

That's an absurd comparison. And the board serves plenty of purposes.

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Pfft, you'd think GRRM personally thanked a bunch of people here in the ADOD dedication or something.

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2 hours ago, Darth Richard II said:

Pfft, you'd think GRRM personally thanked a bunch of people here in the ADOD dedication or something.

I'm not among them.

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Neither am I. Stupid restraining order!

(I'm kidding)

 

Really though, i love to shit on Rothfuss but even I think this is getting a bit ridiculous. At least wait for his next useless life is so hard update.

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This thread got very meta. 

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I'm starting to think that Kvothe's song to Felurian might have been metaphorical for the books themselves.

Start out brilliantly to get attention, let the quality fall somewhat over time, then insist you need to get more time, and to see the world, before the work can be finished. The promise of a satisfying conclusion after a strong build-up is a stronger driver for attention in the long run than the conclusion itself could ever be. Rothfuss has made an amazing set-up, and hinted at several awesome story moments and plot threads that tie the young, talented, confident Kvothe of the past to the broken barkeep hiding from a world at war in the present. The reader asks "where does it all go?" and "how does it get there?", just like Felurian being entranced by the beautiful opening to the song. But then it becomes... less stellar, the author excuses himself, and promises that the work will be delivered in time, if only the pressure to finish it quickly is taken away. Cue a bewildered audience entertaining itself with the possibilities of the conclusion, which is more entrancing than any definite conclusion would be by itself.

Put another way: We couldn't entertain ourselves with theory threads if every answer lay spelled out already. Rothfuss can almost be suspected to realize this, and to be playing off the effect, to make his books more entertaining to read and re-read. Letting the reader fill in the blanks, since that is more fun than serving a conclusive answer. Or put another way: Why ruin the possibilities opened for by a good set-up, by serving a definite answer to it all?

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I think Rothfuss is ultra aware of expectations created by his excellent start, which is leading to his anxiety, leading to re-writes attempting to meet those expectations, leading to delays, leading to more anxiety. Rinse, repeat.

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I think Rothfuss is too close to his story to make an objective assessment of it, and I think his editors have failed him utterly by not doing their jobs and reining in his revisionist tendencies.

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