The Marquis de Leech Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 9 hours ago, Let's Get Kraken said: So what should she have said? "I thought ADwD was a fine manuscript, but really, ASoIaF just isn't my thing." Don't express value judgements on the manuscript. Her job is to improve the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninefingers Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 13 hours ago, Let's Get Kraken said: So what should she have said? "I thought ADwD was a fine manuscript, but really, ASoIaF just isn't my thing." You identified the only other possibility. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 It's good for PR to say she's a fan. It's no more or no less than anyone else involved with the publication and production of the book would say. It's like an actor or director going through a press junket for a movie. They're going to laud praises on it, even if it's crap. And as Gabrielle and others have said above, authors want a "fan" editing them. Not fans that exist on message boards, but professional editors who are truly engaged in the work and want to help improve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninefingers Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 On 3/27/2017 at 1:43 AM, Let's Get Kraken said: Did you actually think that was what my comment implied or are you just talking out of your ass again? Methinks I touched a nerve. Your post was a strawman, and not even a funny one. Try harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 This is a fun distraction and all but can be get back to bashing Rothfuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieStone Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 On 3/24/2017 at 10:02 PM, Werthead said: You can see growing author power with ASoIaF: Anne Groell told George to take out half of the "Words are wind" in ADWD and he pointblank refused. Even less popular authors can have that power: Steven Erikson avoided almost all of his editorial advice because Bantam had spent so much money on the series that they needed to publish the books regardless, which gave him immense power far beyond his initially very modest sales. Ultimately, however, editors are more like consultants then directors or even producers. Once a publisher has bought a novel, they have to publish it or be in breach of contract. Editors refusing to publish a book is a legal minefield, even if the quality is inarguably poor. Random House tried to do this with a Joan Collins novel they regarded as too shit to be publishable and she absolutely took them to the cleaners in court, even saying that she agreed the book wasn't very good but that was irrelevant to the contract (!). Thanks - this is interesting insight for someone like me, who knows nothing about the book publishing world. Can you remind what the "Words are wind" part of ADWD is, though? On 3/25/2017 at 11:18 AM, Werthead said: Yes. That was bollocks. When even the mild-mannered Sanderson was going, "Er, this wasn't what I thought it was going to be," they really needed to stop and rethink. When you talk about the compendium...is it this - https://www.amazon.com/Wheel-Time-Companion-History-Bestselling/dp/0765314614 ? I read all of WoT, but I don't even think I was aware of this...I take it that it's not very good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninefingers Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 The phrase "words are wind" appears 13 times in the book. People make fun of George for overusing it. (Like they made fun of Jordan for the braid tugging in WOT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieStone Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Ninefingers said: The phrase "words are wind" appears 13 times in the book. People make fun of George for overusing it. (Like they made fun of Jordan for the braid tugging in WOT) Ah ok...I haven't read it since it came out. The one that I remember was the term "nuncle" for uncle. I don't think it was in the first 3 books at all, and then in AFFC, everyone seemed to be spouting off about their "nuncle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Darth Richard II said: This is a fun distraction and all but can be get back to bashing Rothfuss. Very well. What Rothfuss has been up to: http://www.unboundworlds.com/cage-match-2017/cage-match-2017-round-4-tom-bombadil-vs-devi/? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperry Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Roose Boltons Pet Leech said: Very well. What Rothfuss has been up to: http://www.unboundworlds.com/cage-match-2017/cage-match-2017-round-4-tom-bombadil-vs-devi/? Lol, this should go over well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 That's just plain terrible. Dude got some issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Roose Boltons Pet Leech said: Very well. What Rothfuss has been up to: http://www.unboundworlds.com/cage-match-2017/cage-match-2017-round-4-tom-bombadil-vs-devi/? Well there's 7 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Times like these I want to start a Rothfuss and Women thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Tom Bombadil would just sing Devi's pants off. Game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Darth Richard II said: That's just plain terrible. Dude got some issues. Well, I thought it was just plain classy. He really went out of his way to not specifically state how large TB's dong is. Lesser authors wouldnt have demonstrated such restraint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said: I can't tell if these comments make me want to click on that link more or less... Less. The correct answer is less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Yes. I vote less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Let's Get Kraken said: I can't tell if these comments make me want to click on that link more or less... Plot summary: Tom Bombadil disappears off and does Tom Bombadil stuff, while Goldberry seduces Devi into lesbian sex. Concluded with the thoroughly classy line "Predicted Winner: All of us, really." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacuna Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 And this is a grown man we're talking about here? I don't know whether to cringe or vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Roose Boltons Pet Leech said: Plot summary: Tom Bombadil disappears off and does Tom Bombadil stuff, while Goldberry seduces Devi into lesbian sex. Concluded with the thoroughly classy line "Predicted Winner: All of us, really." Yeah. That was horrid. No way I can think to defend that one. The prose was turgid and the story didn't really bring either world to life. It was really bad fan/slash fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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