Dr. Pepper Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Cas Stark said: You sound proud of this. It's gross. You seem to need some kind of advice on being more responsible. Of course it's gross. Being denied the ability to properly dispose of waste is gross. You're wrong if you think I'm proud of the doctor. I'm not. Also wrong if you think I'm proud that I left garbage in any place other than the proper bin. It's petty fucking clear that I would have rather disposed of it properly. Don't need that advice on 'being responsible', at least not in this situation, just like the woman the OP complained about didn't need parenting advice just being she might have littered and is likely economically disadvantaged. I definitely do need advice on how to speak up to unbearably rude people, especially men. The chances of them harming me or mine is simply too great that I often keep my mouth shut even to the detriment of others, like here where I allowed a healthcare provider to endanger the health of all instead of telling him I would put the diaper in the bin whether he wanted me to or not. Probably also need advice on not engaging with certain types of people online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Dr. Pepper said: Of course it's gross. Being denied the ability to properly dispose of waste is gross. You're wrong if you think I'm proud of the doctor. I'm not. Also wrong if you think I'm proud that I left garbage in any place other than the proper bin. It's petty fucking clear that I would have rather disposed of it properly. Don't need that advice on 'being responsible', at least not in this situation, just like the woman the OP complained about didn't need parenting advice just being she might have littered and is likely economically disadvantaged. I definitely do need advice on how to speak up to unbearably rude people, especially men. The chances of them harming me or mine is simply too great that I often keep my mouth shut even to the detriment of others, like here where I allowed a healthcare provider to endanger the health of all instead of telling him I would put the diaper in the bin whether he wanted me to or not. Probably also need advice on not engaging with certain types of people online. You weren't denied the ability to properly dispose of waste. Instead of putting the diaper in your trunk and disposing of it in the nearest garbage can, you chose to liter because the doctor made things inconvenient for you. I'm sure everyone who liters has some type of rationalization for why their destructive behavior is okay, just like you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Cas Stark said: You weren't denied the ability to properly dispose of waste. Instead of putting the diaper in your trunk and disposing of it in the nearest garbage can, you chose to liter because the doctor made things inconvenient for you. I'm sure everyone who liters has some type of rationalization for why their destructive behavior is okay, just like you do. Again, this person invited both me and my child to his place of business. I was allowed to relieve myself and dispose of my waste there, my child was not. I personally find that unreasonable (and I also don't have a problem saying it was grossly discriminatory) and other decent people do, too. Obviously I wish I'd told him to go fuck himself and simply disposed of my kid's waste whether he wanted me to or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said: Again, this person invited both me and my child to his place of business. I was allowed to relieve myself and dispose of my waste there, my child was not. I personally find that unreasonable (and I also don't have a problem saying it was grossly discriminatory) and other decent people do, too. Obviously I wish I'd told him to go fuck himself and simply disposed of my kid's waste whether he wanted me to or not. His misbehavior does not equal justification for your bad, illegal behavior, and I'm pretty astounded, to be honest, that you keep trying to make the point that it does. It's possible for you both to be in the wrong here. littering because someone inconvenienced you is still littering. Own it and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said: Again, this person invited both me and my child to his place of business. I was allowed to relieve myself and dispose of my waste there, my child was not. I personally find that unreasonable (and I also don't have a problem saying it was grossly discriminatory) and other decent people do, too. Obviously I wish I'd told him to go fuck himself and simply disposed of my kid's waste whether he wanted me to or not. Or, you could have been an adult about it, instead of a child, and properly disposed of the diaper. If you wanted to complain to the doctor's office about giving you no way to dispose of a diaper, that is fine, choosing another doctor, also fine and within reason. But, throwing it away in the parking lot should not ever have been on the table for consideration. That you did it, and justify it, and blame the doctor and not yourself, is kind of mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, Swordfish said: His misbehavior does not equal justification for your bad, illegal behavior, and I';m fairlay astounded, to be honest, that you keep trying to make the point that it does. It's possible for you both to be in the wrong here. littering because someone inconvenienced you is still littering. Own it and move on. I have owned it. I have not once claimed that my littering was good or right. It's your ilk who are claiming that the doctor's behavior was perfectly reasonable, which is what I've been arguing. I was dumb enough to figure this was a pretty cut and dried thing, expecting most of the replies being "Yeah, you shouldn't have left the diaper there but damn that doctor was fucked up." That's obviously not what's happened no matter how you try to spin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Dr. Pepper said: I have owned it. I have not once claimed that my littering was good or right. great. We agree. It was wrong for you to have littered. Quote It's your ilk who are claiming that the doctor's behavior was perfectly reasonable, which is what I've been arguing. You keep saying this, but no one has argued this. I certainly have not. Incidentally, what exactly are the criteria to be in the 'someone of my ilk' club? I'm genuinely curious about what you mean when you keep using this phrase. Quote "Yeah, you shouldn't have left the diaper there but damn that doctor was fucked up." That's obviously not what's happened no matter how you try to spin it. I'm not trying to spin anything. 'Littering is wrong' does not qualify as spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Are you seriously asking me to define 'ilk' for you? I honestly never know when you're doing your dumb act. I'm sure you can google and learn the definition all on your own. As an aside, this thread reminds me how economically privileged, predominately white people view litter in a way different than those who are poor and predominantly people of color. So many of you have talked about it like it's a black and white issue, as though you couldn't understand any reason why someone would litter or as though there actually is no reason for someone to litter. I had this dumb acquaintance who was invited to my home for a bbq party. She asked a series of dumb questions to my neighbors who were also there. I live in a poor, black neighborhood and it was clear this was the first time she'd ever been to 'the other side of the tracks'. She asked why black people litter so much. Someone told her to look around and she'd see there aren't any trashcans in the neighborhood. The is practically true for most people. Waste disposal is too expensive for a lot of people. You tell most people from this neighborhood to just carry a soggy diaper with them if they weren't able to dispose of it in the proper place, and they will laugh at you. They could be carrying it for days until they found another garbage can they could use. Of course there are a lot of other reasons why there tends to be a lot of litter in economically disadvantaged communities and there are plenty of thoughtful essays one could read if one is so inclined to learn more. This obviously has nothing to do with my situation since I could have clearly told the doctor to fuck off and simply disposed of the trash, so let's please try not to pretend it has to do with my diaper situation. I'm simply bringing this up because it's clear many of you haven't thought about how feelings of litter may differ between groups of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Dr. Pepper said: Are you seriously asking me to define 'ilk' for you? I honestly never know when you're doing your dumb act. I'm sure you can google and learn the definition all on your own. No. I know what 'ilk' means. But when you use a phrase like 'people of your ilk', that's not a generic term. You are implying that I posses certain characteristics. Google cannot tell me what you think those characteristics are. Here's the definition: Quote a type of people or things similar to those already referred to. I'm simply asking you to quantify the 'type' part of this. What type of person is a person of 'my ilk'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Swordfish said: No. I know what 'ilk' means. But when you use a phrase like 'people of your ilk', that's not a generic term. You are implying that I posses certain characteristics. Google cannot tell me what you think those characteristics are. Here's the definition: I'm simply asking you to quantify the 'type' part of this. What type of person is a person of 'my ilk'? Oh sorry, I figured you knew what sort of person you were. Simple-minded or often plays the part, tends conservative, likely bigoted, likely very privileged, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Dr. Pepper said: Oh sorry, I figured you knew what sort of person you were. Simple-minded or often plays the part, tends conservative, likely bigoted, likely very privileged, etc. I do know what type of person I am. I was curious whether you knew what kind of person I am. Now I know. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Cas Stark said: You weren't denied the ability to properly dispose of waste. Instead of putting the diaper in your trunk and disposing of it in the nearest garbage can, you chose to liter because the doctor made things inconvenient for you. I'm sure everyone who liters has some type of rationalization for why their destructive behavior is okay, just like you do. Out of all the places that should make disposing of waste convenient, I'd argue that a doctor's office, as a proponent and practitioner of public health, has a special social responsibility to uphold. Out of curiosity have you ever carried a dirty diaper in the car with you because you were prevented of disposing of it normally by someone? Was it a fucking doctor's office? That said ahead of time sure bring your child but had the invisible caveat just understand that while we provide toilets for our employees and other customers, child waste must be carried off the property? i initially thought it still didn't merit leaving it in the parking lot. Upon further reflection I think the doctors windshield* would have been an appropriate spot. *Not Rhoms. Not referring to the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget1229 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 17 hours ago, Swordfish said: <snip> You keep saying this, but no one has argued this. snip> While no one has said those words, the fact that many people in the thread have suggested that Dr Pepper put the exploding shit diaper in her car can lead some to the conclusion that that is what is meant. I was going to stay out of this but after reading the whole thing I just couldn't. Also, what larrytheimp said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 16 hours ago, larrytheimp said: Out of all the places that should make disposing of waste convenient, I'd argue that a doctor's office, as a proponent and practitioner of public health, has a special social responsibility to uphold. Out of curiosity have you ever carried a dirty diaper in the car with you because you were prevented of disposing of it normally by someone? Was it a fucking doctor's office? That said ahead of time sure bring your child but had the invisible caveat just understand that while we provide toilets for our employees and other customers, child waste must be carried off the property? i initially thought it still didn't merit leaving it in the parking lot. Upon further reflection I think the doctors windshield* would have been an appropriate spot. *Not Rhoms. Not referring to the OP. I have carried all kinds of waste/garbage in the trunk of my car until it could be properly disposed of, I have even picked up the litter of other people and carried that in the trunk of my car until it could be disposed of, so sorry, I don't believe there is any excuse for littering, none, zero, not at all, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 So I'll admit that the doctor's Trump sticker on his car* definitely had an influence on how I reacted. There's that fear that my quality of care or even my safety could be in jeopardy if I'd spoken up against this person. I now wish I'd just tossed the diaper on his car, poop side down. Petty and childish? Yeah, and I'm not some person who pretends I'm above above such behavior. Neither baby or I needed to relieve ourselves at this appointment, which was disappointing. This time the doctor decided to ask, "Where did you get him from?" I asked what he meant. "Which country?" In shock, I replied that we are in the U.S. He responded, "Yeah, but where did you get him before he came here? We wanted to adopt but the kids in this or that country (can't remember what he rattled off) are too expensive." My current child is biracial so could easily be my biological child, though that hardly matters. This man's commentary isn't really unusual, I get it often, mostly from white people, white men especially. But this man is a doctor. I definitely suspected that my being prevented from disposing of my kid's waste was mostly wrapped up in extreme racism, but I hoped for better. I don't know why I expect better from this group, but I always do. Of course, I'm not returning to him, though I wouldn't need to return anyway since this was basically a one and done type of specialist. *In anticipation that people will ask, I knew it was his car because (1) it was the most expensive brand in the small lot and (2) it was parked in front of a huge sign that said "reserved for dr. so and so". A series of spots had reserved signs for specific workers in the building with each lower wage worker having a spot further and further from the door. It's a ridiculously small lot, basically just a driveway because the business is in a converted house. So this was obviously nothing more than a petty display of wanting to put people in their proper place considering "reserved for staff" would work just as well. 1 hour ago, Cas Stark said: I have carried all kinds of waste/garbage in the trunk of my car until it could be properly disposed of, I have even picked up the litter of other people and carried that in the trunk of my car until it could be disposed of, so sorry, I don't believe there is any excuse for littering, none, zero, not at all, ever. Hopefully one day you learn that not everyone has access to the same sort of resources you do and so this isn't a particularly black or white issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Diaper on windshield of a "Trump" bumper stickered vehicle or on windshield of vehicle with one of those Confederate flag endorsing heaps.........is a pretty irresistable image. Anyways the Doctors office in this instance are shitheels for not providing reasonable policy for diaper disposal. That said, I hope the doctors office can adjust their behavior in the future and that rebellious diaper placements do not become some sort of trend. Mother Earth is suffering enough from all the waste we leave around. We used a cloth diaper service and were able to have one parent at home at all times so we had no need for daycare, im sure this would be an impossible option for single parents. Sometimes its important to put yourself in others shoes, especially when your managing any type of health facility. You would need to assume a modicum of responsibility over the public traffic your office is responsible for creating imo. Reasonable litter removal and prevention is part of that responsibility, social contract and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I mean..on the plus side at least you can say with all honesty that you are literally not taking anyone else's shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderschweiz Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr. Pepper said: mostly from white people, white men especially. Speaking of racism...that's very racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Theda Baratheon said: I mean..on the plus side at least you can say with all honesty that you are literally not taking anyone else's shit Omg died laughing!! 1 minute ago, benderschweiz said: Speaking of racism...that's very racist What is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, benderschweiz said: Speaking of racism...that's very racist Or maybe it's just an observation that Dr.P is probably the best to make in regards to people asking questions about her baby And thank you I'm still laughing I think it's one of 5 actual full jokes I've ever made in my life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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