Wrl6199 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, DunderMifflin said: It's like calling someone racist or sexist. Truth fails to matter once it happens. What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunderMifflin Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wrl6199 said: What do you mean? 2 minutes ago, Wrl6199 said: What do you mean? I was just commenting on what Anti-Targ said. Idk why this board wants to act like I quoted like 5 people sometimes. (Meaning the quote function gets really messed up sometimes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, Commodore said: distinction without a difference in this case, his time served was a drop in the bucket of a life sentence Manning was smart to stroke lefty erogenous zones to garner sympathy, Snowden did essentially the same thing but no pardon Ms. Manning's case is not at all similar to Mr. Snowden's case. I'm not even sure how to convince you of that when you're part of the post truth people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Commodore said: distinction without a difference in this case, his time served was a drop in the bucket of a life sentence Manning was smart to stroke lefty erogenous zones to garner sympathy, Snowden did essentially the same thing but no pardon Commodore, There are rather significate consequences for Manning in this not being a "Pardon". With a "Pardon" it is as though the conviction never took place. The "Commutation" means this follows Manning for the rest of Manning's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Quote distinction without a difference in this case, his time served was a drop in the bucket of a life sentence Manning was smart to stroke lefty erogenous zones to garner sympathy, Snowden did essentially the same thing but no pardo I'd like Snowden to be pardoned. (or commuted) However, according to the Obama administration, Snowden didn't file the paperwork required. Also, apparently Snowden encouraged the Obama admin to pardon Manning instead. Snowden on Chelsea Manning's commutation: 'Thanks, Obama' http://thehill.com/homenews/news/314683-snowden-tweets-about-chelsea-mannings-commutation-thanks-obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Post-truth is really just a post-modern reframing of the very old adage that perception is reality. So it really isn't a new socio-political partadigm we're in. It's the same old paradigm, but in new and exciting packaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Commodore, There are rather significate consequences for Manning in this not being a "Pardon". With a "Pardon" it is as though the conviction never took place. The "Commutation" means this follows Manning for the rest of Manning's life. I'm sure his book deal will help him get over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunderMifflin Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 38 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: The nice thing is since I made the statement, I get to define what I meant by free. I didn't for example include the cost of the mental stress of various female members of the media that had to deal with Trump. It's a moot point by that logic. Take Hillary Clinton, the money to pay for her media coverage was given to her for "free" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempra Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 33 minutes ago, Commodore said: I'm sure his book deal will help him get over it She is legally barred from profiting from her crime. Edit: fixing pronouns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: I'd like Snowden to be pardoned. (or commuted) However, according to the Obama administration, Snowden didn't file the paperwork required. Also, apparently Snowden encouraged the Obama admin to pardon Manning instead. Snowden on Chelsea Manning's commutation: 'Thanks, Obama' http://thehill.com/homenews/news/314683-snowden-tweets-about-chelsea-mannings-commutation-thanks-obama There are also issues with Snowden and the Russians. The cases aren't even close to the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: There are rather significate consequences for Manning in this not being a "Pardon". With a "Pardon" it is as though the conviction never took place. The "Commutation" means this follows Manning for the rest of Manning's life. Does it really matter much in this case anyway? Everyone one knows Manning is actually guilty of the crime she was convicted of so regardless of whether she was pardoned or had her sentence commuted it's going to follow her for the rest of her life, the significant thing is she won't spend a significant proportion of it in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Commodore said: I'm sure her book deal will help her get over it 4 minutes ago, Tempra said: She is legally barred from profiting from her crime. FTFY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 14 minutes ago, Commodore said: distinction without a difference in this case, his time served was a drop in the bucket of a life sentence Manning was smart to stroke lefty erogenous zones to garner sympathy, Snowden did essentially the same thing but no pardon It wasn't a life sentence though. Wiki says it was 35 years with the possibility of parole after about a third of that. Manning will serve a total of 6 years which isn't that trivial a fraction of either the sentence or a typical human lifespan. Snowden is very unlikely to get a pardon while he is in exile; he will basically have gotten away with what he did and the intelligence community really doesn't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Quote It's a moot point by that logic. Take Hillary Clinton, the money to pay for her media coverage was given to her for "free" Hillary went about her campaign in the way that has become standard, raising funds, and then buying ad buys. My point was that Trump went about his campaign in a nonstandard manner. You've yet to show that this wasn't the case, despite arguing about it. Unless you are suggesting that the media were lobbyists and were lobbying Trump when they brought him on their shows. To me he appeared to get the coverage free. And they got ratings out of the deal. I'm not under the impression that they lobbied Trump on policy while they had him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, theguyfromtheVale said: FTFY. I don't think Commodore believes in the transgender concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, Commodore said: distinction without a difference in this case, his time served was a drop in the bucket of a life sentence Manning was smart to stroke lefty erogenous zones to garner sympathy, Snowden did essentially the same thing but no pardon Still two days left. Prepare your outrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunderMifflin Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: Hillary went about her campaign in the way that has become standard, raising funds, and then buying ad buys. My point was that Trump went about his campaign in a nonstandard manner. You've yet to show that this wasn't the case, despite arguing about it. Unless you are suggesting that the media were lobbyists and were lobbying Trump when they brought him on their shows. To me he appeared to get the coverage free. And they got ratings out of the deal. I'm not under the impression that they lobbied Trump on policy while they had him there. Well I don't know what I'm arguing because I agree with that 100% Aside from that I believe that my understanding of free is more widely accepted. As the old saying goes "ain't shit in this world free" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 You don't have to believe in it. All you need is the basic human decency and politeness to address people the way they asked to be addressed as. Alas, I've long lost all hope that conservatives would still respect decency or politeness - even though those are supposedly conservative virtues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: I don't think Commodore believes in the transgender concept. Tempra clearly doesn't either, but that's besides the point. They shouldn't be given reign to be terrible just because they have dumb beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 24 minutes ago, Commodore said: distinction without a difference in this case I mention it only because the difference relates to exactly the point you were complaining about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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