King17 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 If you were king or queen who would your small council be? You can only pick characters that are still alive by the end of book 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Crows Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Tricky topic since it depends on who you are and where your fortunes lie. If we are assuming that I am the current king, in the current state of affairs, i.e., I'm replacing Cersei, but with the current options; that is tricky AF. Lord Commander must remain Jamie. I guess Master of Whispers would remain Qybourn (because I don't know any other who could do that job). Master of Coin would be Mace Tyrell (or a delegate of his). Making Mace the Hand if he provided a Master of Coin that was sufficient. Redwyne as Master of Ships because, of course. And a new Grand Maester would be sent from the Citadel. Now, if we are talking anytime; I'll take Grand Maester Gawen for longevity and knowledge. Tywin Lannister as my Hand, because I'm a strong king who trusts a strong Hand. Tyrion as my Master of Coin, because with a strong King and Hand who are just (as I plan to be) he would do his duty well, without resentment. The rest, I would have to choose from my particular stable of allies. Choosing a Master of Whispers or even Master of Ships without knowing the lay of the land would probably not be the best idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Im assuming i would be Tommen in this scenario so i presume i would have to restrict some characters to make it realistic. For example Stannis couldnt possibly be my master of ships. Hand of the King - Forley Prester Lord Commander of the Kingsguard - Jaime Lannister Master of coin - Ardrian Celtigar Master of laws - Orton Merryweather Master of whisperers - Harys Swyft Master of ships - Paxter Redwyne Grand Maester - Gormon Tyrell Additional advisors - Willas Tyrell, Roland Crakehall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Claude Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Hand of the King: Stannis Baratheon Master of Coin: Wyman Manderly Master of Ships: Baelor Hightower Master of Laws: Yohn Royce Master of Whispers: Doran Martell Grand Maester: Whoever they send Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Balon Swann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King17 Posted February 5, 2017 Author Share Posted February 5, 2017 Personally mine would be Hand Tyrion Coin manderly Commander of kg arya Ships davos Whispers bran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Small Council Hand: Tyrion Lannister Master of Coin: Leyton Hightower (or a representative, like Baelor) Master of Whispers: Varys Master of Laws: Randyll Tarly Master of Ships: Stannis Baratheon Lord Commander: Barristan Selmy Adviser: Forley Prester Adviser: Doran Martell Adviser: Mathis Rowan Master at Arms: Garlan Tyrell Commander of the City Watch: Addam Marbrand (he hated it but he was good at it) LP's: The North: Rickon, with Wyman as regent until he comes of age The Riverlands: Edmure (because really he'd make an excellent peacetime ruler) The Stormlands: Stannis The Westerlands: Tyrion The Reach: Mace (though hopefully he'd die quickly so Willis could take over) Dorne: Doran The Iron Islands: Victarion The Vale: Harold Hardyng Kingsguard: Barristan Selmy Balon Swann Richard Horpe Loras Tyrell Daven Lannister Roland Storm Daemon Sand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvengerofWinterfell Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Hand: Tyrion Master of Ships: Davos Master of Coin: Lord Manderly or one of his elder granddaughters Master of Laws: Blackfish Master of Whispers: Varys Lord Commander of KG: Barristan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastards Giant Friend Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Because you don't say what house I am from, I am picking based off of merit and recognize that some of these characters may not work well together in the books. But they would if I was king... Hand - Jon Snow Coin - Tyrion Whispers - Bran Laws - Stannis Ships - Davos LC - Barristan, with Brienne as eventual replacement. This also brings up the intriguing topic; what are the ideal characteristics of each position? Hand - fair, just, wise, rational, and level headed. Probably the most capable ruler, maybe even more so than the king. Coin - pragmatic, clever, and smart. Whispers - omnipotent or as close to it as possible. Well connected within all levels of the kingdom. Laws - just, firm and unwavering, someone who is able to draw a clear line and is not prone to change the rules. Ships - practical, takes orders well. This is the one position where I don't think you need someone to be vocal about every matter. LC/KG - excellent soldier. Obeys and would not hesitate to lay down their life. You of course want all members to be loyal, knowledgeable within their position, and not overly ambitious. I would think that a good hand could be a decent master of laws and vice versa. Same with Coin and Whispers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I just assume I'm made king through some Brightflame plot and that my claim is recognized as the real deal by a great council, because poetic justice. King - Me Queen - Sansa (or Marg, because Natale Dormer) Hand - that one is difficult, I'd say Doran Martell, but only because I see no other viable choices. Mance would be my favorite, but he's a deserter. Master of Coin - Tyrion Master of Ships - Davos Seaworth or Victarion Greyjoy to keep the council less Stannis-centered Master of Laws - Stannis Master of Whispers - Marwyn (if Qyburn is already pretty decent good, I'm sure Marwyn is even better, and at least there's a possibilty he's not as bad a traitor as Varys) Maester - Gormon Tyrell Lord Commander - Barristan Selmy Bonus: King's Justice - Sandor Clegane Kingsguard: Richard Horpe Clayton Suggs Barristan Selmy (obviously) The Bastard of Nightsong Loras Tyrell Balon Swann Lord Paramounts: Riverlands: Blackfish (once he dies, it's Edmure or his son) North: Wyman Manderly (until Rickon comes of age) Westerlands: Tyrion Lannister Vale: Bronze Yohn Royce Dorne: Doran Martell Reach: Mace Tyrell Stormlands: Stannis Baratheon Iron Islands: Asha Greyjoy and whoever her husband turns out to be, for lack of better options Commander of the Gold Cloaks: Daven Lannister What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Why would anyone choose Davos over Stannis for master of ships? Stannis is the most experienced naval commander. He defeated the Iron Fleet and was Master of Ships for many years. We dont know that Davos has any military education or knowledge of warfare. He is a peaceful dude that is not respected by the other lords and knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Bloodraven Jon Snow Kevan Lannister Quentyn Martell Gerion Lannister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 6 hours ago, John Doe said: I just assume I'm made king through some Brightflame plot and that my claim is recognized as the real deal by a great council, because poetic justice. King - Me Queen - Sansa (or Marg, because Natale Dormer) Hand - that one is difficult, I'd say Doran Martell, but only because I see no other viable choices. Mance would be my favorite, but he's a deserter. Master of Coin - Tyrion Master of Ships - Davos Seaworth or Victarion Greyjoy to keep the council less Stannis-centered Master of Laws - Stannis Master of Whispers - Marwyn (if Qyburn is already pretty decent good, I'm sure Marwyn is even better, and at least there's a possibilty he's not as bad a traitor as Varys) Maester - Gormon Tyrell Lord Commander - Barristan Selmy Bonus: King's Justice - Sandor Clegane Kingsguard: Richard Horpe Clayton Suggs Barristan Selmy (obviously) The Bastard of Nightsong Loras Tyrell Balon Swann Lord Paramounts: Riverlands: Blackfish (once he dies, it's Edmure or his son) North: Wyman Manderly (until Rickon comes of age) Westerlands: Tyrion Lannister Vale: Bronze Yohn Royce Dorne: Doran Martell Reach: Mace Tyrell Stormlands: Stannis Baratheon Iron Islands: Asha Greyjoy and whoever her husband turns out to be, for lack of better options Commander of the Gold Cloaks: Daven Lannister What do you think? Good list but I'd make some slight alternations... provided we have all 7 kingdoms under control and certain political considerations. Dany in CO are all still in Mereen and are discounted. King - Me Queen - Sansa Hand - Bronze Yohn Royce Master of Coin - Wyman Manderely Master of Ships - Paxter Redwyne Master of Laws - Franklyn Fowler Master of Whispers - Brynden Blackfish Tully Grand Maester - Gorman as the Citadel intented Bonus: King's Justice - Richard Horpe Master at Arms - Harras Harlaw Commander of the Gold Cloaks: Robett Glover Kingsguard: Knights only Loras Tyrell - Lord Commander Balon Swann Lyle Crakehall Daemon Sand Kyle Condon Perwyn Frey Lothar Brune Lord Paramounts: Riverlands: Edmure Tully North: Jon Stark (legitimized as Robb's will) Westerlands: Daven Lannister Vale: Harry Arryn Dorne: Doran Martell Reach: Mace Tyrell Stormlands: Shireen Baratheon with Davos as Regent maybe Edric Storm legitimized. Iron Islands: Rodrick Harlaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindsayLohan Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Lord Wraith said: Good list but I'd make some slight alternations... provided we have all 7 kingdoms under control and certain political considerations. Dany in CO are all still in Mereen and are discounted. King - Me Queen - Sansa Hand - Bronze Yohn Royce Master of Coin - Wyman Manderely Master of Ships - Paxter Redwyne Master of Laws - Franklyn Fowler Master of Whispers - Brynden Blackfish Tully Grand Maester - Gorman as the Citadel intented Bonus: King's Justice - Richard Horpe Master at Arms - Harras Harlaw Commander of the Gold Cloaks: Robett Glover Kingsguard: Knights only Loras Tyrell - Lord Commander Balon Swann Lyle Crakehall Daemon Sand Kyle Condon Perwyn Frey Lothar Brune Lord Paramounts: Riverlands: Edmure Tully North: Jon Stark (legitimized as Robb's will) Westerlands: Daven Lannister Vale: Harry Arryn Dorne: Doran Martell Reach: Mace Tyrell Stormlands: Shireen Baratheon with Davos as Regent maybe Edric Storm legitimized. Iron Islands: Rodrick Harlaw Just pointing out: In your Kingsguard, you list Lothar Brune, which likely wouldn't work. Loras Tyrell, Balon Swann, Lyle Crakehall, and Perwyn Frey are all 2nd/3rd sons. Daemon Sand is a noble bastard, and Condon is merely a household knight. All would be appropriate. Lothar Brune was knighted on the Blackwater, and has been promised lands and a keep in the Riverlands after the war. As he will need to marry and create heirs, the Kingsguard is no place for him. Would add that he's a good man, and one of my favorite minor characters. Would love to see him get Mya Stone as a wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 44 minutes ago, LindsayLohan said: Just pointing out: In your Kingsguard, you list Lothar Brune, which likely wouldn't work. Loras Tyrell, Balon Swann, Lyle Crakehall, and Perwyn Frey are all 2nd/3rd sons. Daemon Sand is a noble bastard, and Condon is merely a household knight. All would be appropriate. Lothar Brune was knighted on the Blackwater, and has been promised lands and a keep in the Riverlands after the war. As he will need to marry and create heirs, the Kingsguard is no place for him. Would add that he's a good man, and one of my favorite minor characters. Would love to see him get Mya Stone as a wife. Mayhaps but I didn't promise him those lands the Lannisters did and they are deposed. Also I really can't think of any other worthy knights from the crownlands. Also finding living knights from the North was difficult. Glad you noticed the 2nd/3rd son thing. I would have liked to have Harras Harlaw on my KG but he is Rodrick's heir so Master at Arms would be good until he takes his Lordship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindsayLohan Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 31 minutes ago, Lord Wraith said: Mayhaps but I didn't promise him those lands the Lannisters did and they are deposed. Also I really can't think of any other worthy knights from the crownlands. Also finding living knights from the North was difficult. Glad you noticed the 2nd/3rd son thing. I would have liked to have Harras Harlaw on my KG but he is Rodrick's heir so Master at Arms would be good until he takes his Lordship. It's makes Sansa's eight Winged Knights thing unique in a way. Having them serve a set term, instead of a life term, allows the guard to be composed of anyone, including lords or heirs, increasing the talent supply. Additionally, Robin (or Harry, perhaps) would never have to deal with an aging guard that is unable to fulfill his duties (Boros Blount, Vardis Egan). On a completely unrelated Lothor Brune note: I'm going to freaking die laughing if he kills Michel Redfort during the tournament in response to Redfort shaming Mya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 hour ago, LindsayLohan said: It's makes Sansa's eight Winged Knights thing unique in a way. Having them serve a set term, instead of a life term, allows the guard to be composed of anyone, including lords or heirs, increasing the talent supply. Additionally, Robin (or Harry, perhaps) would never have to deal with an aging guard that is unable to fulfill his duties (Boros Blount, Vardis Egan). On a completely unrelated Lothor Brune note: I'm going to freaking die laughing if he kills Michel Redfort during the tournament in response to Redfort shaming Mya. Well he might kill Mychel Redfort but I certainly got the idea that it wasn't his fault. Seems like it was Lord Horton. Also agreed the Winged Knights is brilliant. Quote "Of course she did. She has a mouth as big as her thighs, and her thighs are enormous. Mychel Redfort was the one. He used to be Lyn Corbray's squire. A real squire, not like that loutish lad Ser Lyn's got squiring for him now. He only took that one on for coin, they say. Mychel was the best young swordsman in the Vale, and gallant . . . or so poor Mya thought, till he wed one of Bronze Yohn's daughters. Lord Horton gave him no choice in the matter, I am sure, but it was still a cruel thing to do to Mya." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilish Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Assuming that there's peace and everyone is happy living with one another, then Hand: Tyrion Lannister LC of the Kingsguard: Selmy Master of coin: Mace TyrellMaster of ships - Euron Greyjoy Master of law - Doran Martell Advisor: Jon Snow Advisor: Randyll Tarly Advisor: Melisandre GM: someone who I can trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 10 hours ago, Lord Wraith said: Mayhaps but I didn't promise him those lands the Lannisters did and they are deposed. Also I really can't think of any other worthy knights from the crownlands. Also finding living knights from the North was difficult. Glad you noticed the 2nd/3rd son thing. I would have liked to have Harras Harlaw on my KG but he is Rodrick's heir so Master at Arms would be good until he takes his Lordship. I like your list. I thought about putting Bronze Yohn on my list too, but he wasn't my first choice for anything. My Master at Arms would be Bronn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 11 hours ago, John Doe said: I like your list. I thought about putting Bronze Yohn on my list too, but he wasn't my first choice for anything. My Master at Arms would be Bronn. Considering the Vale has one of the only untouched armies and food supplies in Westeros I am willing to make concessions. Bronze Yohn seems well connected and has been hanging the background since GOT. I would have liked put Baelish as Hand because I think that is what he aspires to be. Then would have a vested interest in the security of the kingdom and not his own ambition. Of course I'd probably have to give him Sansa but that would be a small price. Marge or Arianne would be suitable Queens as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fresh PtwP Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Hand: Illyrio Mopatis Lord Commander: Ser Robert Strong Master of Ships: Sallador Saan Master of Coin: Tycho Nestoris Master of Laws: Wisdom Hallyne Master of Whispers: Moqorro King's Justice: Melisandre Gold Cloaks: Thoros of Myr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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