Emie Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Even though I've read the books and whatnot there are still some names in the series that I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing it correctly or I'm a bit off. I normally read interviews of GRRM and don't really watch video interviews so if he is talking about a specific character with a certain pronunciation, then I've most likely missed it. But anyway, if any of you know these, it would be very helpful, thank you. :-) (most of these are Valyrian names I've noticed) Jeyne: Is it "Jane" or Janie"? (same with Jayne) or other? Ceryse: Is it "Cersei" or "Sara-see" or other? Alys: Is it "Alice" or "Aleece" or other? Alysanne: Is it "Alice-sane" or "Alice-anne" or other? Gael: Is it "Gayle" or "Gay-el" or other? Jacaerys: Is it "Jake-erys" or "Jace-erys" or other? Lucerys: Is it "Luke-erys" or "Luce-erys" or other? Rhae: Is it "Ray"? Shaera: Is it "Shay-ra" or "Shay-air-a" or other? Rhaelle: Is it "Ray-el"? Rhaella: Is it Ray-ella"? Elia: Is it "El-ee-ya" or "El-iya" (I've heard people pronounce it both ways) Aelyx: Is it "Alex" or "A-lex" or other? Those are all I can think of right now. Again thanks everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor Xyn Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 27 minutes ago, Emie said: Even though I've read the books and whatnot there are still some names in the series that I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing it correctly or I'm a bit off. I normally read interviews of GRRM and don't really watch video interviews so if he is talking about a specific character with a certain pronunciation, then I've most likely missed it. But anyway, if any of you know these, it would be very helpful, thank you. :-) (most of these are Valyrian names I've noticed) Jeyne: Is it "Jane" or Janie"? (same with Jayne) or other? Jane Ceryse: Is it "Cersei" or "Sara-see" or other? Ser-see Alys: Is it "Alice" or "Aleece" or other? I say Alice Alysanne: Is it "Alice-sane" or "Alice-anne" or other? Alice-sane Gael: Is it "Gayle" or "Gay-el" or other? I say Gale Jacaerys: Is it "Jake-erys" or "Jace-erys" or other? I say Jace-erys Lucerys: Is it "Luke-erys" or "Luce-erys" or other? I say Luce-erys Rhae: Is it "Ray"? Ray Shaera: Is it "Shay-ra" or "Shay-air-a" or other? I say Shay-era Rhaelle: Is it "Ray-el"? Ray-elle Rhaella: Is it Ray-ella"? Ray-ella Elia: Is it "El-ee-ya" or "El-iya" (I've heard people pronounce it both ways) El-iya Aelyx: Is it "Alex" or "A-lex" or other? I say Alex Those are all I can think of right now. Again thanks everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 GRRM has said that we can pronounce them any way we want too. But I can tell you he pronounces Cersei as Sir-say. I think the stress is about even between the syllables but maybe slight emphasis on the first. As to the list, here's how I say them... Jeyne: Is it "Jane" or Janie"? (same with Jayne) or other? Just plain Jane for both. Ceryse: Is it "Cersei" or "Sara-see" or other? Sir-EESS Alys: Is it "Alice" or "Aleece" or other? Alice Alysanne: Is it "Alice-sane" or "Alice-anne" or other? AL-ih-san (very close to Alice-anne) Gael: Is it "Gayle" or "Gay-el" or other? Gayle Jacaerys: Is it "Jake-erys" or "Jace-erys" or other? Ja-CAIR-iss, though it could be Ja-SAIR-iss given that the nickname is usually Jace. Lucerys: Is it "Luke-erys" or "Luce-erys" or other? Lu-CAIR-iss Rhae: Is it "Ray"? Ray Shaera: Is it "Shay-ra" or "Shay-air-a" or other? SHAY-ruh Rhaelle: Is it "Ray-el"? Ray-ELL Rhaella: Is it Ray-ella"? Ray-ELL-uh Elia: Is it "El-ee-ya" or "El-iya" (I've heard people pronounce it both ways) ELL-ee-uh Aelyx: Is it "Alex" or "A-lex" or other? AY-licks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter prince Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Jeyne, Jeyne it rhymes with pain. But I think GRRM wanted us to pronounce them however we wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emie Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 Thanks guys I appreciate it. I just thought of another one. Kevan: "Kevin" or "Keevan"? (I've heard it pronounced as the second one before) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxine Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 2/11/2017 at 1:22 PM, Emie said: Thanks guys I appreciate it. I just thought of another one. Kevan: "Kevin" or "Keevan"? (I've heard it pronounced as the second one before) I always say keevan. But honestly I wouldn't worry too much about it. Pronounce it how you want to. Some people get snobby about it but it's no big deal. For instance I've always pronounced Damphair as Damfair even though damp-hair really makes sense once I heard someone else say it but I still refuse to pronounce that what. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emie Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 Lol Damp-hair sounds kind of silly. I like Dam-fair much better and I too pronounce it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxine Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 32 minutes ago, Emie said: Lol Damp-hair sounds kind of silly. I like Dam-fair much better and I too pronounce it that way. Thank you!! My thoughts exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Jeyne "rhymes with pain" as Theon puts it,, so Jane Alys as Alice Alysanne as Alice-sanne Elia as ELL-iya or even EEL-iya The rest of these I have not heard of or are too minor to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davjos Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Since dracarys is probably pronounce with a strong K instead of a weak S is suspect this to also be the case for Valyrian names like Jacaerys. Also traditionally in language if the emphasis or stress is on that sylabble but it's a short vowel, two consonant would follow. I.e. Cap is short, cape is long. Cappe would be short. Therefor I place the emphasis on the syllable before the double consonant. So: AlysAnne (Alice pronounced in a more French way), RhaElle and RhaElla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Due to me studying Latin I always tend to pronounce the AEs in Targaryen names (or any names and words) like "eye" "Dye-nerys" "Eye-gon" and yes "Mad King Iris" also "Meister" rather than "Mayster" so: Gael: like Guile Jacaerys: Jah-keye-rees Lucerys: Loo-kerees Rhae: Like Rye, but the "r" sound being throaty like in German and Semitic languages. Shaera: Shy-rah Rhaelle: Rye-elle (again with the throaty r) Rhaella: Rye-ellah (ditto) Aelyx: Eye-licks. Cersei I have always pronounced like the (common English pronunciation) of Circe, the famous enchantress from Greek mythology and have also mentally linked the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaedys Targaryen Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 On 13/2/2017 at 2:33 AM, Orphalesion said: Due to me studying Latin I always tend to pronounce the AEs in Targaryen names (or any names and words) like "eye" "Dye-nerys" "Eye-gon" and yes "Mad King Iris" also "Meister" rather than "Mayster" so: Gael: like Guile Jacaerys: Jah-keye-rees Lucerys: Loo-kerees Rhae: Like Rye, but the "r" sound being throaty like in German and Semitic languages. Shaera: Shy-rah Rhaelle: Rye-elle (again with the throaty r) Rhaella: Rye-ellah (ditto) Aelyx: Eye-licks. Cersei I have always pronounced like the (common English pronunciation) of Circe, the famous enchantress from Greek mythology and have also mentally linked the two. Agree with this one and I actually pronounce the names and words the same way, with exception to Rhaelle and Rhaella (Rye-lle and Rye-llah respectively) And I personally think that most Targaryen, or rather Valyrian, names with c's in them are pronounced with strong k's (would explain why Lucerys' nickname was "Luke" and Jacaerys' was "Jake"). I'm a little bit torn on Daenerys though. Viserys' nickname to her was Dany and Khal Drogo called her Dan Erys (or something like that). *Edit: Jacaerys' nickname is Jace, not Jake. Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maudisdottir Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 This is how I say them in my head when I'm reading, but I'm sure a lot of the differences in pronunciation are because of the readers' various accents - where I come from we elongate the vowels, especially the ae/ay names: Jane Ser-see Alice Alice-Anne Gail Ja-sair-iss Loo-sair-iss Ray Shay-ra Ray-ell Ray-ella Ee-lee-ya Alex (I think this was just GRRM trying to be cute) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 10 hours ago, Orphalesion said: Due to me studying Latin I always tend to pronounce the AEs in Targaryen names (or any names and words) like "eye" "Dye-nerys" "Eye-gon" and yes "Mad King Iris" also "Meister" rather than "Mayster" so: Gael: like Guile Jacaerys: Jah-keye-rees Lucerys: Loo-kerees Rhae: Like Rye, but the "r" sound being throaty like in German and Semitic languages. Shaera: Shy-rah Rhaelle: Rye-elle (again with the throaty r) Rhaella: Rye-ellah (ditto) Aelyx: Eye-licks. Cersei I have always pronounced like the (common English pronunciation) of Circe, the famous enchantress from Greek mythology and have also mentally linked the two. High Valyrian (per the language creators for the show) do pronounce the "ae" like "eye" so you're definitely not wrong. High Valyrian pronunciation of names is (imo) much prettier as well. However, I understand current Targaryen names as being pronounced like English/Westerosi, as this language likely influenced the dialects of the Valyrians that settled along the east of Westeros. But I like to think that Valyrians would still pronounce names in High Valyrian during special events, like coronations or baptisms (or whatever equivalent the Seven have). On 2/10/2017 at 4:13 PM, Emie said: Jeyne: Is it "Jane" or Janie"? (same with Jayne) or other? Ceryse: Is it "Cersei" or "Sara-see" or other? Alys: Is it "Alice" or "Aleece" or other? Alysanne: Is it "Alice-sane" or "Alice-anne" or other? Gael: Is it "Gayle" or "Gay-el" or other? Jacaerys: Is it "Jake-erys" or "Jace-erys" or other? Lucerys: Is it "Luke-erys" or "Luce-erys" or other? Rhae: Is it "Ray"? Shaera: Is it "Shay-ra" or "Shay-air-a" or other? Rhaelle: Is it "Ray-el"? Rhaella: Is it Ray-ella"? Elia: Is it "El-ee-ya" or "El-iya" (I've heard people pronounce it both ways) Aelyx: Is it "Alex" or "A-lex" or other? Those are all I can think of right now. Again thanks everyone. Jeyne = Jane Ceryse = seh REES (Cersei = SARE say) Alys = ah LEES Alysanne = AL liss sehn Gael = gayl Jacaerys = jah CARE rees Lucerys = loo SARE rees (but loo CARE rees in HV, hence the nickname Luc (Luke).) Rhae = ray Rhaelle = rail or ray ELLE Rhaella = RAY la Elia = ELL lee ah (I used to pronounce it ee LYE ya before the show.) Aelyx = AY licks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowy Tends Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 12 hours ago, Orphalesion said: Due to me studying Latin I always tend to pronounce the AEs in Targaryen names (or any names and words) like "eye" "Dye-nerys" "Eye-gon" and yes "Mad King Iris" also "Meister" rather than "Mayster" Really? The latin AE is not pronounced like "eye", at least in "latin" Europe (I have no idea about the way Latin is taught in the UK or North America). Vae Victis: do you pronounce it "Veye Victis"? Dies Irae: Dies Ireye? Anyway, "Dye Neris" or "Jah-keye-rees" would sound really bizarre to a french/italian/spanish ear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 On 2/10/2017 at 5:13 PM, Emie said: Ceryse: Is it "Cersei" or "Sara-see" or other? I rhyme Ceryse with Clarice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 38 minutes ago, Nowy Tends said: Really? The latin AE is not pronounced like "eye", at least in "latin" Europe (I have no idea about the way Latin is taught in the UK or North America). Vae Victis: do you pronounce it "Veye Victis"? Dies Irae: Dies Ireye? Anyway, "Dye Neris" or "Jah-keye-rees" would sound really bizarre to a french/italian/spanish ear Church Latin pronounces "ae" like ay. But true Latin (early ADs, BC era) pronounced it "eye." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 6 hours ago, Isobel Harper said: High Valyrian (per the language creators for the show) do pronounce the "ae" like "eye" so you're definitely not wrong. High Valyrian pronunciation of names is (imo) much prettier as well. However, I understand current Targaryen names as being pronounced like English/Westerosi, as this language likely influenced the dialects of the Valyrians that settled along the east of Westeros. But I like to think that Valyrians would still pronounce names in High Valyrian during special events, like coronations or baptisms (or whatever equivalent the Seven have). That makes a lot of sense, since it mirrors the real world evolution of the Latin ae sound. 4 hours ago, Nowy Tends said: Really? The latin AE is not pronounced like "eye", at least in "latin" Europe (I have no idea about the way Latin is taught in the UK or North America). Vae Victis: do you pronounce it "Veye Victis"? Dies Irae: Dies Ireye? Anyway, "Dye Neris" or "Jah-keye-rees" would sound really bizarre to a french/italian/spanish ear The Ancient Romans DID pronounce it as "eye". So yes, Caesar's name was pronounced like the German Kaiser and his son with Cleopatra was Kaisarion (son of Caesar) The man who taught me Latin was a classicist, so he taught me the closest way possible to how the Romans spoke. Over the last two millennia even the Latin that was preserved changed as it was used by the Church and in official documents and such and there are a number of differences between Classical (Ancient Roman) Latin and the Latin as it was used form Medieval Times onwards. I imagine if Caesar was transported into modern day Marseilles or Rome a lot of the thing he'd say would sound strange to the people there, that's what 2000 years of development and social upheavals make of it. Ever compared modern English to what the ancestors of the Anglo-Saxons spoke 2000 years ago? There are sounds we don't have anymore. . 3 hours ago, Isobel Harper said: Church Latin pronounces "ae" like ay. But true Latin (early ADs, BC era) pronounced it "eye." ^This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maudisdottir Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 8 hours ago, Isobel Harper said: High Valyrian (per the language creators for the show) do pronounce the "ae" like "eye" so you're definitely not wrong. High Valyrian pronunciation of names is (imo) much prettier as well. ShowDany even pronounces her name "Dye-nairess" when she's speaking Valyrian during the Sack of Astapor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor Xyn Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 On 2/12/2017 at 5:48 PM, Emie said: Lol Damp-hair sounds kind of silly. I like Dam-fair much better and I too pronounce it that way. Martin gave that answer in an interview though. Aeron Greyjoy is Damp-hair, because he's always got wet hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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