Einheri Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said: The means is making sure the pie is shared. The end result is making sure the pie is shared. So if you have a problem with the means, then you also have a problem with the end result. I'm sure you'll find the means just as problematic no matter what it is. Samantha Bee had a completely blind application process for her show Full Frontal. The application wasn't just blind to race or gender. It was intentionally designed to also hide experience. They wanted good writers and were aware that not all good writers would have the same experience because those experiences aren't traditionally open to everyone. The result was a writer staff that is 50% female and 30% minority. It's admirable, for sure, something you think would be universally applauded. But it wasn't, because people like you argue that it "punishes" people who have certain types of experiences. Someone who thinks the dominate group is punished when asked to share the pie is unlikely to be happy with any means used to achieve that. Now you're just being ridiculous. I said that I support anonymous/blind application process as it doesn't discriminate against anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Notone said: I think your anger towards that user is a bit misguided. Keep in mind, he is Norwegian. Norway has a very good public education and health and social system. And basically the free colleges Sanders talked about. On top of that the Norwegian society is more homogenously composed than the US (or even a lot of other EU states for that matter). So if you come from that place (with a pretty level playing field (not 100% (nothing ever is)) the reduction to queer-black-woman. Doesn't make much sense. And I don't think this was meant as white washing. That poster has been told several times that his own country's history is different than the US. I have to accept that he can actually read and assume that he understands what the word "different" means. That he's chosen to ignore that is pretty infuriating, imo. 6 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I suspect there are an number of other boarders who share the lack of those characteristics. Why me? Omg Scot, you are...well, I guess I'll say at least you aren't Commodore or Altherion or Free Northman Reborn. I guess I could have used one of them but I can barely stomach even thinking about them. The point of the post was to identify someone who might have a different background from my own. It's pretty useless if I choose someone who doesn't have a long and well known history on the forum. You're different from me. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Homeland Security Set to Make it Much Easier to Deport Undocumented Immigrants http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/02/19/homeland_security_set_to_make_it_much_easier_to_deport_undocumented_immigrants.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 30 minutes ago, WinterFox said: I thought Mr. Trump brought a level of madness to the role that was missing from the performance of Mr. Leto. WURD... https://img.ifcdn.com/images/1476e71d146e6b5c2ef3f8b0648e3db930ec3af67243b1bf34b544de5acb4c06_1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einheri Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said: That poster has been told several times that his own country's history is different than the US. I have to accept that he can actually read and assume that he understands what the word "different" means. That he's chosen to ignore that is pretty infuriating, imo. You pretty much stated that I don't understand and should educate myself, so I don't see what I was supposed to respond to this, but since you want some kind of answer.. . No, I’m not completely oblivious about American history, and the current climate there, but I don't see why this is relevant to the points I have been making, which I have repeatedly stated are based on my own morality, and while I have argued against one type of measure, I have also argued in favor of others like implementing a proper welfare state in the US, more information campaigns against prejudice, and anonymous application processes, which Rippounet was so kind to remind me about. It's just my opinion. Take it or leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Dr. P, Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Ok, there seems to be an explanation for Trump's Sweden comments. Friday night Fox News did a segment about Sweden, it's liberal society, and the fact it has welcomed hundreds of thousands of refugees even though the population is only 10 M. 16% of it's population was born elsewhere. And some of those refugees, not being able to find jobs, are turning to crime. In fact, Fox News says, the Swedish government is covering up all the crimes refugees are committing. A reporter on CNN, knowing how much Trump loves watching Fox, suggests that's the connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr. Pepper said: That poster has been told several times that his own country's history is different than the US. I have to accept that he can actually read and assume that he understands what the word "different" means. That he's chosen to ignore that is pretty infuriating, imo. Omg Scot, you are...well, I guess I'll say at least you aren't Commodore or Altherion or Free Northman Reborn. I guess I could have used one of them but I can barely stomach even thinking about them. The point of the post was to identify someone who might have a different background from my own. It's pretty useless if I choose someone who doesn't have a long and well known history on the forum. You're different from me. Period. Totally gutted I did not make this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Fragile Bird said: Ok, there seems to be an explanation for Trump's Sweden comments. Friday night Fox News did a segment about Sweden, it's liberal society, and the fact it has welcomed hundreds of thousands of refugees even though the population is only 10 M. 16% of it's population was born elsewhere. And some of those refugees, not being able to find jobs, are turning to crime. In fact, Fox News says, the Swedish government is covering up all the crimes refugees are committing. A reporter on CNN, knowing how much Trump loves watching Fox, suggests that's the connection. There's still a difference between crime in general and carrying out terror attacks. Trump did seem to be referring to a specific incident. The highest-profile things that happened in Sweden in the last two days are that the country chose its Eurovision entry and a male moose had repeated intercourse with a fake wooden moose ornament in the front of someone's house (although there was an allegation this may be #fakenews since it may have happened in November). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Werthead said: There's still a difference between crime in general and carrying out terror attacks. Trump did seem to be referring to a specific incident. The highest-profile things that happened in Sweden in the last two days are that the country chose its Eurovision entry and a male moose had repeated intercourse with a fake wooden moose ornament in the front of someone's house (although there was an allegation this may be #fakenews since it may have happened in November). Trump seems to do a disconnect in his head when it comes to stuff he reads and hears. His spokespeople keep coming out and explaining what he actually meant was something else. Like the story about the murder rate increasing in cities at the highest rate in 45 years. (It was actually Giuliani who said the murder rate was the highest in 41 years). The national rate of murder went up by 11% in 1970, and by 10.8% in 2015. So the murder rate did increase at the highest rate in 45 years, but not just in cities, nationally, and back in 1971 the murder rate was quite low, just a bit higher than it was in 2015. Murder rates started growing after that, peaking in 1992 and dropping off substantially since. During a rally in Florida on Saturday, Trump said "look what's happening last night in Sweden" as he alluded to past terror attacks in Europe. He probably meant "Look what's happening in Sweden [as shown by Fox News] last night." It reminds me of Sean Spicer's comments about the crowd at the inauguration: “This was the largest audience to witness an inauguration, period,” Spicer claimed, without offering evidence. “Both in person and around the globe.” The majority of people would interpret that as him saying the largest crowd at the inauguration and the largest audience around the globe. The next day Spicer said he couldn't understand how anyone could interpret what he said as meaning anything but the two together, which might be true, since more people have the internet today than they did 8 years ago. It also sounds like a direct quote from Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isalie Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Pff, we're merely half way through choosing our Eurovision contestant. I guess it's hard not to follow suit when the world is turning everything up to eleven right now, but the climate here is ridiculously antagonistic. One guy says that the rising inequality is the biggest problem right now and that splitting up the poor in different subgroups is hurtful for anyone wanting equality and it somehow turns into socialism for white males only. I'd prefer it if the Left got it's act together and focused on economic equality as well as equal rights, but perhaps the two will drift apart enough that they make up two different parties in time. Either way, anyone claiming that economic equality wouldn't go a long way to reduce things like cops killing black men probably just don't want to share that wonderful pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Say what you want about Fox News, but they have really stepped up of late on calling out the Clown Prince on his media bullshit... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POQNyTPMi_w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 BTW, Trump just confirmed he was referring to the Fox show. And on Friday letters went out by the Senate committee investigating Russia cyber attacks to the White House and various other parties demanding they preserve all documents related to Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Just now, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Say what you want about Fox News, but they have really stepped up of late on calling out the Clown Prince on his media bullshit... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POQNyTPMi_w And then you look on Twitter and its filled with supposed Fox viewers totally trashing Chris Wallace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Worth a read in light of The NY Times article of a secret Ukraine peace plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivin Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Werthead said: There's still a difference between crime in general and carrying out terror attacks. Trump did seem to be referring to a specific incident. The highest-profile things that happened in Sweden in the last two days are that the country chose its Eurovision entry and a male moose had repeated intercourse with a fake wooden moose ornament in the front of someone's house (although there was an allegation this may be #fakenews since it may have happened in November). Who needs Eurovision when we have the iheart music awards? Fresh performers and new songs from all over Eurasia displaying a brilliant diversity of cultures in a shared celebration of human creativity? We have Jay lo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 16 minutes ago, Relic said: And then you look on Twitter and its filled with supposed Fox viewers totally trashing Chris Wallace. Gotta love conservatives. They love a person until they either stand for something or show a small measure of intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, Relic said: And then you look on Twitter and its filled with supposed Fox viewers totally trashing Chris Wallace. Chris Wallace has a measure of integrity that is pretty rare for Fox. That said, he isn't the only Fox commenter that has called Trump out on this latest bullshit stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivin Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Chris Wallace has a measure of integrity that is pretty rare for Fox. That said, he isn't the only Fox commenter that has called Trump out on this latest bullshit stance. He was the best moderator of the debates too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Just now, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Chris Wallace has a measure of integrity that is pretty rare for Fox. That said, he isn't the only Fox commenter that has called Trump out on this latest bullshit stance. Chris "Soon to be working at CNN" Wallace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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