Praetor Xyn Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I did a brief search for something along these lines but couldn't find a similar topic. My apologies if it already exists. I thought it might be fun or useful to compile a list of characters we presume are dead, but didn't actually see die and hence MIGHT be alive, Benjen Stark and Syrio Forel being the most famous examples. I also don't think we should count anyone who came back as a Wight and was dealt with, like Othor and Jafer Flowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandru Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Do you actually mean off SCREEN, as in the teevie series, or off PAGE, as in the books? Or both, with a note as to where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor Xyn Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 37 minutes ago, zandru said: Do you actually mean off SCREEN, as in the teevie series, or off PAGE, as in the books? Or both, with a note as to where? Off page, sorry I didn't realize that was ambiguous. I've seen off-screen used to mean "we didn't see it happen" in the books so that's the way I was using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgrav Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Illyrio's possible death has been mentioned before: Quote I could live for years on his rings, Tyrion mused, though I'd need a cleaver to claim them. ADWD Tyrion I Quote One of the corpses was so fat that the ship's cook had to cut his fingers off with a meat cleaver to claim his rings. It took three Meadowlarks to roll the body into the sea. ADWD The Merchant's Man Seems legit. It's said that Illyrio doesn't travel by sea because it "upsets his digestion", but I think we can call that a lie, because the first time we ever see him in AGoT he's traveled all the way to King's Landing just to chat with Varys. The first thing Tyrion says when he sees Illyrio is "A rotting sea cow", which immediately pairs Illyrio with seafaring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Beric's seventh death Quentyn? Gregor Clegane (we all know where he ended up, I presume) Sandor Clegane Syrio and Benjen obviously Stannis (according to the Pink Letter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastards Giant Friend Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Small characters: Weasel Old Nan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer of Justice Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 57 minutes ago, The Bastards Giant Friend said: Old Nan Is it confirmed Old Nan is dead?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Hammer of Justice said: Is it confirmed Old Nan is dead?? No, not remotely. People do assume it though. Life can't be a picnic at the Dreadfort for the "survivor's of Theon's massacre." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor Xyn Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 I don't think we saw Septon Chayle die either right? He's just dropped down a well, but I think he said something about swimming all his life so he might not have drowned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgrav Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I don't know, I feel like Old Nan's got some staying power. She's got kind of a Ghost of High Heart thing going on. wait... is it possible Old Nan is related to Dywen? Old Nan could smell the comet, and Dywen can smell the Others' cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastards Giant Friend Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Old Nan is like a weirwood, time means nothing to her. But I think, as a reader, it is implied her part has passed. And that makes me sad. Nobody wants to talk about what Weasel might know were she alive? other names: Arthur Dayne Aegon (does he count?) (Advanced tinfoil) Steffon Tyrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beautiful Bloody Sword Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 What about Greywind and the Westerling guy that freed him in the aftermath of the RW? They both took arrows but jumped into the river while still alive, and haven't been heard of since, but didn't die on page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Benjen, Tyrek Lannister, and Ashara Dayne all disappeared under circumstances that are quite suggestive that they didn't really die. I believe all three are still alive. Syrio Forel and Stonesnake (Halfhand's man) were last seen under circumstances that make their survival highly unlikely. I would be shocked if either were still alive. Septon Chayle is probably dead, but I wouldn't be entirely shocked if he survived. Sandor Clegane is most likely the Quiet Isle gravedigger. Given the statement of Beric's death and fact that Thoros has no reason to lie, I think he is really dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livesundersink Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Beautiful Bloody Sword said: What about Greywind and the Westerling guy that freed him in the aftermath of the RW? They both took arrows but jumped into the river while still alive, and haven't been heard of since, but didn't die on page. Well they mounted Grey Winds head onto Robb's body, so I think we can agree he is dead. As for the Westerling he was shot a few times with a crossbow and his blood trail led into the river Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 3 hours ago, The Bastards Giant Friend said: Old Nan is like a weirwood, time means nothing to her. But I think, as a reader, it is implied her part has passed. And that makes me sad. Nobody wants to talk about what Weasel might know were she alive? other names: Arthur Dayne Aegon (does he count?) (Advanced tinfoil) Steffon Tyrek If Old Nan has passed, then she better have told her stories to little Beth Cassel because somebody has to tell us the rest of the one about the Last Hero. If you're including Steffon then you have to include Cassana as well. Same goes for Arthur, have to add Oswell and Gerold. GRRM has said we'll learn what happened to Tyrek. Not a peep about whether he's alive or dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beautiful Bloody Sword Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 58 minutes ago, Livesundersink said: Well they mounted Grey Winds head onto Robb's body, so I think we can agree he is dead. As for the Westerling he was shot a few times with a crossbow and his blood trail led into the river Well, they mounted a wolf's head onto Robb's body, but the direwolf was freed and took arrows with Westerling, who were both bleeding and who both went into the river. If Greywind died in that encounter, he did so off page, same as the man who freed him. I don't think it was Greywind's head, but just a random and unlucky wolf who happened to be in the Riverlands, in close proximity to the Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Talbert Serry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luddagain Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Yes unless we see them die - and not even then eg Mance. Maybe Ned is still alive!!!!! - I was joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fishbiscuit Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I can just about accept that Syrio is probably dead, but Old Nan? Never! She may be as old as Methuselah but cold preserves! She probably knows Winterfell better than anyone, so I reckon she's hiding somewhere like the crypts. In addition to the ones already mentioned... Loras is reportedly close to death in Dragonstone, which is potentially a ruse if you ask me! Jojen is suspected by a lot of folk to be dead (#jojenpaste), but it's not ever said or even suggested by anyone in the book. While he probably isn't long for this world, I don't believe he's already died or been killed off page without mention. (Not saying it's not possible though!) We didn't see Balon Greyjoy die. Pretty sure he is dead though. Most likely candidate for fake dead, I reckon, is Ashara Dane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastards Giant Friend Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 17 hours ago, Beautiful Bloody Sword said: Well, they mounted a wolf's head onto Robb's body, but the direwolf was freed and took arrows with Westerling, who were both bleeding and who both went into the river. If Greywind died in that encounter, he did so off page, same as the man who freed him. I don't think it was Greywind's head, but just a random and unlucky wolf who happened to be in the Riverlands, in close proximity to the Twins. I think Grey Wind would have been too big to use a normal wolfs head, but it could be that everyone around is just going with it fArya style. Raynald lives, I hope. Just to be real tinfoily though, you could point to ADWD Jon I, and say that he knows there are still 4 of 5 siblings even though he can't sense one (Summer underground?). I think the characters assume Gerion is dead. But we don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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