Werthead

The Worldbreaker Saga by Kameron Hurley

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I think prince of thorns was 2009 in the U.K.  And I like Cameron enough but I would not call him top tier.

 

I agree non traditional fantasy has been amazing. (I'd probably but Castell in as non traditional. His last book was was amazing either way)

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7 hours ago, Darth Richard II said:

Was Lawrence not this decade?

Yeah, I think he'd qualify as Abercrombie of the decade. Unless Wert means selling shit tons of books which might be the case given the Name of the Wind and Lies of Locke Lamorra examples.

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Unnecessary extra confirmation: Yep, Lawrence's Prince of Thorns was 2011, not 2009, in both the US and UK, and I know absolutely it was 2011 in the UK because I recall hearing that a bookseller ... it was Waterstone's, I think, was giving people free Prince of Thorns arcs in exchange for ADWD preorders, and ADWD came out in 2011 -- Martin and Lawrence share a UK publisher, though not a US one.

 

I'd say the term epic fantasy gets a little slippery when you start talking about authors like Gladstone and Jemisin, who may not have some of the furniture but have broad-canvas worldshaking storytelling -- gods, huge magic, earthshattering stakes -- aplenty. I'd count them. Perhaps there have not been any debuts to match the overwhelming greatness of something like Lynch, but I'd call several debuts this decade that I've read very very strong -- Jemisin, Gladstone, Wexler. And then there's work by writers who have really leveled up -- having either debuted this decade or previously -- and are now on the absolute wave crest of the genre in my opinion -- again Gladstone and Jemisin, also Robert Jackson Bennett, Elizabeth Bear, maybe Brad Beaulieu. Kate Elliott has leveled up again this decade. If you like ya there are authors like Bardugo and Hartman doing big stuff in secondary world fantasy. I can't say it's never been better, certainly, both because I don't quite know that I think so and because I haven't been reading that long, but it's a golden age for sure. Great, great stuff.

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I read this a couple years ago I think I even posted a thread for it. Really good! Incredibly hard at first because of the nomenclature and massive cultural inversions. though there is a glossary I was totally unaware of its existence since I read I on a kindle and one of the things you lose with an ebook is flipping to the back and getting an explanation of vocabulary. The glossary is there in the kindle, but it never occurred to me to look on an ebook.

I actually thought the plot was too ruthlessly propulsive and it was so pulpy and nonstop that I never felt like I had a chance to catch up to the world. It feels rigorously edited to be constantly moving, so once you get through the nomenclature it's really hard to put down, reminds me of Charles stross writing in that regard. I blazed through it in a day or two and really enjoyed it.

iirc, the magic system is sort of like an anime magic system, am I right?

I haven't gotten to the sequel yet because I want to reread the first one.

 

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I was actually meaning to come back and say that this does actually sound quite intriguing, and it sounds more intriguing with locke's positive review.  Why, oh why, am I reading Lev Grossman right now?

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Lev Grossman is way better than Kameron Hurley, that's why.

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23 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

Lev Grossman is way better than Kameron Hurley, that's why.

I find this comment offense to the core of my being and I challenge you to a lightsaber battle.

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3 hours ago, polishgenius said:

Lev Grossman is way better than Kameron Hurley, that's why.

Thanks, I needed a really, really good laugh this morning.

Grossman is a talentless hack who takes other people's work and rights shitty fanfic versions of it and adds a heap of misogyny on top. His prose skills are not the worst, but his abilities with plot and character are borderline non-existent.

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4 hours ago, polishgenius said:

Lev Grossman is way better than Kameron Hurley, that's why.

Only on the timeline where Nigel Farage is president of the world and fuck lord of the moon.

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1 hour ago, Werthead said:

Thanks, I needed a really, really good laugh this morning.

Grossman is a talentless hack who takes other people's work and rights shitty fanfic versions of it and adds a heap of misogyny on top. His prose skills are not the worst, but his abilities with plot and character are borderline non-existent.

I've never read his stuff, but that sounds like it's a Fifty Shades of Grey version of Eragon. :lmao:

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I only read the samples avaliable online (I can seldom browse English books in Germans stores) and got the impression that she tried too hard to be diverse. Since I had no problems at all with Gardens of the Moon, it can't have been the dive into the world start.  

I couldn't get into Jemisin, either; the first person POV of that Thousand Kingdoms book reads like chick lit. 

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1 hour ago, Werthead said:

Thanks, I needed a really, really good laugh this morning.

Grossman is a talentless hack who takes other people's work and rights shitty fanfic versions of it and adds a heap of misogyny on top. His prose skills are not the worst, but his abilities with plot and character are borderline non-existent.

Eh. I get the misogyny accusation based on the shitty rape-as-character development aspect of Julia's plot, but don't really see it otherwise. Off the top of my head I have no problem with the rest of his plot and character work.


Sure, it's very in love with Narnia, but so am I so...

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9 hours ago, Gabriele said:

I've never read his stuff, but that sounds like it's a Fifty Shades of Grey version of Eragon. :lmao:

It's more like 50 shades of Harry Potter(which he hates of course).

I didn't know other people actually disliked him as much as me, it's kind of refreshing.

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23 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

It's more like 50 shades of Harry Potter(which he hates of course)



50 Shades of Narnia, surely.

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I've never read his stuff, but that sounds like it's a Fifty Shades of Grey version of Eragon.

He couldn't decide if he wanted to rip off either The Chronicles of Narnia or Harry Potter, so he combined them and ripped off both simultaneously, which was, if nothing else, quite economic of him.

The misogyny element isn't just the rapey stuffy, but when he starts describing female characters by their bra size, which got a bit weird. Then the TV show did exactly the same thing to the same character, which was unnecessary.

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I don't remember the bra-size bit, so fair enough.

I wish people would stop describing everything that has a magic school in it as a Harry Potter ripoff, though. HP hardly invented the concept and there's no similarity between Hogwarts and Brakebills beyond the magic. Not to mention past the first half, or a little more, of the first book it isn't an especially big part of the series as a whole.

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Well when the author makes a big stink about how much he hates HP and then claims he's writing HP for adults, yes, people are going to make comparisons.

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