AncalagonTheBlack Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 I missed most of the match except the last 5 minutes or so.To come from behind,away from home with key players missing is a great result.Credit to the lads. I also heard that Firmino scored a beauty.I'm sure Soylent will have appreciated that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 This Dortmund/Bayern game is awesome. I'm so jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Boruc is not a good keeper at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Klopp has been widely panned for his starting team selection today, but it seemed like a decent gamble from his perspective, even if it didn't work. Stoke had previously used a long ball style against us with Crouch and Walters -- abandoning their usual style -- plus his two main attackers were sick and tired (literally), so three CBs to repel aerial bombardment and three CMs to win second balls. Also, we've been finishing games poorly in recent months, looking tired and especially lacking sharpness to finish chances that arrive when the game gets stretched (Firmino and Lallana especially guilty of missing good chances late in games, but they run the most), so holding back our best attacking players might allow us to finish strongly so long as the opposition weren't out of sight by then. Plus it would give a chance for some youngsters to get some experience and use their energy for pressing, and let the team practice this alternate formation. But it didn't work. Stoke didn't play long balls, they used their wide men in their normal style, perhaps because they weren't afraid of our press with so many missing. And 4-4-2 with genuine width is a big problem for 3-5-2. Origi and Woodburn got too isolated because the CMs were covering the WBs and because the entire CM was too defensive. Accommodating TAA meant Clyne and Milner were both out of position. 3-5-2 requires excellence from the wing backs -- just look at Moses and Alonso at Chelsea -- but Clyne is poor in the attacking third in general and unsettled on the left, while TAA is very inexperienced. I know Moreno is on the outs, but he would have been a better choice than TAA today. Even so, they were a couple of minutes from reaching half time level, despite being outplayed. And perhaps they should have had a penalty instead of Stoke scoring. And Woodburn and TAA did reasonably well in their individual performances, but their effect on the team needed to be fixed. But the good news is that it was easy to fix. Even keeping the 3-5-2, just upgrading the link between CM and attack by making at a 3-4-2-1 box with Coutinho & Firmino behind Origi/Sturridge meant we had much more attacking threat, and reverting to Clyne as RWB and Milner at LWB meant we were stronger in the crucial WB roles. We significantly outplayed Stoke in the second half, despite Origi and Klavan having very poor games, and eventually got our goals. We needed a couple of good saves from our keeper, but overall did very well to turn around the game like that. And now the players have a full week of rest before the next game, a bruiser of a game away to WBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 13 hours ago, Raja said: Boruc is not a good keeper at all These weren't his fault. Bournemouth can play a really good game, then this sort of game. Too inconsistent but got some nice players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 That was a harsh red, but it's a bit weird that Sunderland fans are booing Herrera for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Yeah, it was a rash challenge but I thought a yellow card would have sufficed especially considering the shit Rojo has gotten away with this season. And of course it was Zlatan who scored. ETA. With Sunderland down to ten men, 2-0 down and having to commit more players forward, I think we should really consider taking Fellaini off and bringing on either Martial or Rashford. Sunderland are there for the taking on the counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, Consigliere said: Yeah, it was a rash challenge but I thought a yellow card would have sufficed especially considering the shit Rojo has gotten away with this season. Apparently this is (one of the) same ref who let Rojo off before, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Matthew Pennington just isn't very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 More and more I like this Davies fella. Everton always knows how and when to bring up some youngsters. Highly entertaining game and it was clear Leicester was more or less concentrated for Atletico but still gave a good game to Everton. Lukaku had sort of mixed game, besides two goals kinda of meh at times. But goals is the most important stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Was gonna comment on Davies actually, he's cracking. Not the type of flash player or ball-playing CB that the England hype machine usually gets in a spin about but he's a real talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Davies has talent. Sort of suspected that last season, when he got his chance in the last game of the season (alongside Jonjoe Kenny and Kieran Dowell), and he stood out from the youngster crowd. Better than Pennington, who had gotten games earlier the season, better than Kenny and a lot more useful than Dowell, who had gotten the plaudits from the U23s. He's got industry, relative quickness of thought, he's decent on the ball and has lots of energy. Hope that he'll learn from his colleagues in midfield - if he could learn the good parts from Gana, Schneiderlin and Barry, he'll be a cracking DM in time. He's still just 18. Pennington .. still not sold on him. Doesn't look like a player who'll crack the PL ceiling to me, but hey - still young and just back from injury. He'll get some more time (and that's not me deciding, he just got a new two year contract). ETA: Arsenal looking shaky. Not enough tempo up front so far (or, rather, movement), and not solid at the back. Could be bad news - further bad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Sakho's definitely better than Klavan. It would have been nice if he hadn't pissed in Klopp's cornflakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Heh. Looks like Arsenal also could use Sakho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 23 minutes ago, ljkeane said: Sakho's definitely better than Klavan. It would have been nice if he hadn't pissed in Klopp's cornflakes. Sakhos better than Lovren too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterOJ Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mark Antony said: Sakhos better than Lovren too He's just on loan right? Maybe he and Klopp can bury the hatchet in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, MisterOJ said: He's just on loan right? Maybe he and Klopp can bury the hatchet in the offseason. Think so. Reckon he's under contract for one more year come summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I think he is contracted to Liverpool longer than that. Didn't he sign a four or five year contract when Rodgers was still manager? Think he might be under contract until 2019 or 2020. Sakho has looked very good for Palace. Mustafi fortunate to still be on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 May be. I read he was signed 2013, don't know if he signed an extension. Can't really say the subject interests me all that much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Arsenal's replacements are worse than our replacements, it seems. That's a scary thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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