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NFL Offseason: Trail of Tears or My Cousin Kirky

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9 minutes ago, Westerosi Coast Gangster said:

yea, smith was viewed as a huge bust before Harbaugh. smith has a lot of weaknesses, but with Jim he was pro bowl material. Hes doing decent in KC now, but is really viewed as a qb who wont lose you the game, and not one who can win you the game.

Yeah, though in fairness he's stepped up on several occasions when his team needed him to switch to gunslinger. 

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18 minutes ago, James Arryn said:

Yeah, I think people have kind of revised history to where he was an Alex Smith type whose D and running game hid for a while, but the second half season/playoffs of the Super Bowl run he was the guy carrying the team. Anyone remember when he out duelled Brady? Lead the NFL in ay/a, was PFF's best graded/most accurate deep passer and top 5 intermediate, etc. There's more 'there' there than I think commonly perceived. Now his limitations are always going to make him less effective in some types of offence, so I get that, but otherwise he's a guy worth exploring. He's been working with drech the last couple years.

Beat Rodgers a couple of times in close games as well. I think he set the QB rushing record against the Pack in that playoff game a few years back.

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6 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

Beat Rodgers a couple of times in close games as well. I think he set the QB rushing record against the Pack in that playoff game a few years back.

And one of those GB games was the season opener after the other, where the Packers literally spent weeks working specifically on stopping his style/system.

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On ‎3‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 4:43 PM, James Arryn said:

JS4P-

Granted that vision is his weakness, and always will be. But I think offsetting that with a normalized physical talent aspect is pretty misleading. From a reductionist POV he's a freak when it comes to physical ability. Best running QB, maybe ever, with one of the game's true cannons. 

Have to throw an opinion in on this comment. Have you ever seen Randal Cunningham play? His arm was second to none and he ran like a f*king deer ( a pointless stat, he also had a 91 yard punt!!). The only other QB that comes close to him, IMO, was Michael Vick.

Best season comparison

Cunningham 1990 - 942 yards rushing, 5tds....and 3500 yards and 30 tds passing, His best 5 years rushing averaged 655 yards per season

Vick 2002 rushed for 777 yds and 8 tds, passed  2900 yds and 16 tds. His best 5 years rushing averaged 798 yards!

Kaepernick -  2014 rushed for 639 yards 1 td ...passed for  3369 yds (in an pass happy era) and 19 tds.  His 5 year rushing avg is 460, considerably lower than the other two.

IMO he is far from the best rushing QB ever, not even close. 

BTW, as a Cowboy fan I hate the Eagles, and love animals so my opinion of these two is not biased. Colin is not in the same area code as these two.

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Best running QB? In the modern era I would have to give that to Vick, with Randall a close second. Another, who is before my time, would be Roger Staubach. Ive seen video of him, he wasnt called Roger the Dodger for nothing. 

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1 hour ago, dbunting said:

IMO he is far from the best rushing QB ever, not even close. 

The 49ers openly said they wanted him to save the running for the playoffs. His playoff game tape speaks for itself.

 

Also, when grading Kaep and his decline over the last few years, it's important to remember that he went from having an elite O-Line, above average skill players and a great head coach to having one of the worst O-Lines, worst skill position players and some creature called a Jim Tomsula. What QB wouldn't decline given that?

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1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

The 49ers openly said they wanted him to save the running for the playoffs. His playoff game tape speaks for itself.

 

Also, when grading Kaep and his decline over the last few years, it's important to remember that he went from having an elite O-Line, above average skill players and a great head coach to having one of the worst O-Lines, worst skill position players and some creature called a Jim Tomsula. What QB wouldn't decline given that?

Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Brett Farve, Russell Wilson, Roger Staubach, great QB's elevate the talent around them......lol....I know I know, it's all debatable! It's Friday and I just felt like tossing that out there!

I will say I firmly do not think he is even close to top running QB ever though.

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49 minutes ago, dbunting said:

Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Brett Farve, Russell Wilson, Roger Staubach, great QB's elevate the talent around them......lol....I know I know, it's all debatable! It's Friday and I just felt like tossing that out there!

Those guys are better though. Kaep was a great prospect who has failed to live up to expectations, but you shouldn't ignore what's happening around him. 

50 minutes ago, dbunting said:

I will say I firmly do not think he is even close to top running QB ever though.

You want to know how I know he is? Because I am the rightful Westeros Pick'Em Champion! And I'm slightly ahead of you in the NCAA bracket!

Eat it!!!!!!!!!

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17 hours ago, Westerosi Coast Gangster said:

Marty was a good coach, but his teams could never win "the big game'

I understand the argument, but they were 14-2 the year before, that wasn't the rationale that was used, and they replaced him with Norv Freaking Turner, who could never even really win the little games.

That's a pretty awful course of events.

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20 minutes ago, Swordfish said:

I understand the argument, but they were 14-2 the year before, that wasn't the rationale that was used, and they replaced him with Norv Freaking Turner, who could never even really win the little games.

That's a pretty awful course of events.

yea Turner wasnt a better option than Marty, but that has always been the knock on his teams, along with Coaches like Andy Reid and Marvin Lewis 

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IMO, there's a pretty huge chasm between the Jimmy Johnson/Jim Harbaugh's of the world, that are taking teams to Super Bowls, and the regular season warriors.  

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Just now, JonSnow4President said:

IMO, there's a pretty huge chasm between the Jimmy Johnson/Jim Harbaugh's of the world, that are taking teams to Super Bowls, and the regular season warriors.  

Agreed. The Marty firing was bad, but it's not on the same level as the Johnson or Harbaugh firings. Those are truly next level.

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