One-eyed Misbehavin Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 "Dragons old and young, true and false, bright and dark. And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of all.” Forgive me... But who/what/which one is the old dragon? To me the rest makes since but feel free to discuss it too. I know sheepstealer was still alive after the dwd (a very long time ago) and the cannibal was said to be even older but it's unlikely they'd be in ASOIAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, One-eyed Misbehavin said: "Dragons old and young, true and false, bright and dark. And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of all.” Forgive me... But who/what/which one is the old dragon? To me the rest makes since but feel free to discuss it too. I know sheepstealer was still alive after the dwd (a very long time ago) and the cannibal was said to be even older but it's unlikely they'd be in ASOIAF. Bloodraven would meet the definition of an old dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCK Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 If it is Bloodraven, I suppose that implies Tyrion will head back north at a later time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlesterFlorentReborn Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The living dragons are Jon, Dany, Aegon (whether false or true), bloodraven and I think Aemon was alive at this point? Anyway, one is missing. There must be one more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macgregor of the North Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Old and young could just be throwing in the likes of Jon, Dany Aegon and Bloodraven in together, the true and false is probably a reference to Aegon perhaps being paraded as the true heir but likely not being so, while Jon and Dany are what we would class as more "true" Dragons I suppose, being of Aerys and Rhaellas line. Bright and dark, does this mean in like good or bad? Well intentioned and bad intentioned or something along those lines??. Not sure, maybe the whole quote is in reference to the people mentioned as Dragons but also the actual Dragons themselves too which are a combination of bright and dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macgregor of the North Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 3 hours ago, PCK said: If it is Bloodraven, I suppose that implies Tyrion will head back north at a later time. Tyrion will certainly return to Westeros and I agree there is a very healthy chance he will return to the North. Although I think the passage is simply meaning that all these "Dragons" will be playing their respective big parts in the coming events from wherever they are while Tyrion is very much a massive part of events in his own right, making his own mark on things amidst everything going on. Tyrion, the small man with the big shadow I think may well be alive right at the end, lasting through the next DWD and the next War for the Dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Old and young are House Targaryen and House Blackfyre True and false are Daenerys, daughter of Aerys and Aegon son of Rhaegar. Bright and dark are the red dragon and the black dragon. Tyrion is llike the deuteragonist of a classical play. He will bounce between the protagonist and antagonist of the second main conflict of A Song of Ice and Fire, Daenerys and Aegon, respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damein Blackfyre true king Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I think bright and dark may refer to someone who maybe from the line of Areon Brightflame who was exiled to List. So that could be Varys or Illyrio or another reference of Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 My guess is: Old = Aemon Young = Jon True = Dany False = Aegon Bright = Bloodraven Dark = Varys Tyrion's met them all except Bloodraven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpion92 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Old and young = Aemon and Jon Snow True and false = Aegon and Daenerys Bright and dark = Jaime and Cersei (yes, I am a huge supporter of Lannister twins being Mad King's bastards) And he is "snarling" among them. Dragons do not snarl, lions do. That kinda enforces the idea that he is Tywin's only and true child, not Mad King's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 6 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said: Old and young are House Targaryen and House Blackfyre True and false are Daenerys, daughter of Aerys and Aegon son of Rhaegar. Bright and dark are the red dragon and the black dragon. Tyrion is llike the deuteragonist of a classical play. He will bounce between the protagonist and antagonist of the second main conflict of A Song of Ice and Fire, Daenerys and Aegon, respectively. Or Old and Young are people, True and False are people, Bright and Dark are Brightflame and Blackfyre. Agreed about Tyrion's bouncing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 9 hours ago, AlesterFlorentReborn said: I think Aemon was alive at this point? I didn't consider him, yes I believe he was. Another reason to dislike the awkward Feast/Dance divide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eyed Misbehavin Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 9 hours ago, Macgregor of the North said: Old and young could just be throwing in the likes of Jon, Dany Aegon and Bloodraven in together, the true and false is probably a reference to Aegon perhaps being paraded as the true heir but likely not being so, while Jon and Dany are what we would class as more "true" Dragons I suppose, being of Aerys and Rhaellas line. Bright and dark, does this mean in like good or bad? Well intentioned and bad intentioned or something along those lines??. Not sure, maybe the whole quote is in reference to the people mentioned as Dragons but also the actual Dragons themselves too which are a combination of bright and dark. There's also the chance it's red or black dragon in which case I'd say Dany or Bloodraven is red and Faegon (Blackfyre but still a dragon) or Varys (Possible Blackfyre) would represent black. (Idk could be opposite) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eyed Misbehavin Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 30 minutes ago, Lord Lannister said: I didn't consider him, yes I believe he was. Another reason to dislike the awkward Feast/Dance divide. When I made this I thought Aemon was already dead. Or I woulda marked it down to either him or Bloodraven for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eyed Misbehavin Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 I love this forum btw.... I feel dumb bc it's so obvious but I was just checking to see if any other answer than Bloodraven..... to be honest I thought Maester Aemon brother of my favorite squire was already dead by then..... Occurred to anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Keep in mind that false doesn't have to mean fake or duplicitous. Aegon could be Rhaegar's son and a dragon without being who he thinks he is (unlikely, but possible). Other possible ways of assigning the dragons... Singles (traditional) Old = Bloodraven/Aemon Young = Dany True = Aegon False = Illyrio (Blackfyre) Bright = Varys (Brightflame) Dark = Jon (wears black, had the darker look of the Starks as opposed to shiny Targness)Pairs Old = Bloodraven/Aemon Young = Jon * True = Aegon False = Dany (the only character who keeps getting told "remember who you are" so maybe not being "true" to herself) * Bright = Varys (Brightflame) Dark = Daario (Blackfyre)Trios Old = Bloodraven/Aemon Or (Old=BR, True=Aemon, Bright=Jon...the three NW dragons) True = Jon Bright = Dany (shiny, pretty little thing) * Young = Aegon Or (Young=Dany, False/Dark=Aegon, False/Dark=Daario/Varys...the three non-NW dragons) False = Varys/Illyrio Dark = Illyrio/Daario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 OLD Aemon YOUNG Daenerys TRUE Rhaegar FALSE Viserys BRIGHT Illyrio DARK Varys I left Jon Snow off because being a Targaryen does not make him a dragon . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Crows Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 On 3/16/2017 at 6:07 AM, Lost Melnibonean said: Old and young are House Targaryen and House Blackfyre True and false are Daenerys, daughter of Aerys and Aegon son of Rhaegar. Bright and dark are the red dragon and the black dragon. Tyrion is llike the deuteragonist of a classical play. He will bounce between the protagonist and antagonist of the second main conflict of A Song of Ice and Fire, Daenerys and Aegon, respectively. Why would he reference House Blackfyre as something current that Tyrion is "snarling in the middle of?" Is this an insight into the whole Illyrio's wife/FAegon theory? Side note: People like Dany for the most part, but we know there is a chance she could turn out to be crazy like her father. Maybe she's the dark dragon and Jon's the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 11 hours ago, Joey Crows said: Why would he reference House Blackfyre as something current that Tyrion is "snarling in the middle of?" Is this an insight into the whole Illyrio's wife/FAegon theory? Side note: People like Dany for the most part, but we know there is a chance she could turn out to be crazy like her father. Maybe she's the dark dragon and Jon's the light. ASOIAF consists of three main conflicts, the War of the Five Kings, the Second Dance of the Dragons, and the War for the Dawn. The first is pretty much done, with the surving characters finding their way into the remaining conflicts, but I suppose its final resolution will see a Stark in Winterfell. I believe Daenerys Targaryen is the protagonist of the second main conflict, which was begun in the third chapter of Game, and that Jon Snow is the protagonist of the final main conflict, which, ironically, was begun in the prologue to Game. I believe Aegon is Daenerys's primary antagonist, and that he is The Blackfyre. I believe the second main conflict will revolve around the interaction of these two characters, and that Tyrion, will bounce back and forth between them. I suspect that none of those three characters will survive the second main conflict, but I suspect that it will be resolved by the third fire Daenerys must light for love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 15 hours ago, BRANDON GREYSTARK said: OLD Aemon YOUNG Daenerys TRUE Rhaegar FALSE Viserys BRIGHT Illyrio DARK Varys I left Jon Snow off because being a Targaryen does not make him a dragon . Tyrion is not going to be snarling in the middle of the dead dragons so you can cross off Dany's brothers. Being a Targaryen does make him a dragon. If you can include Viserys (of whom Dany says "he was no dragon") you can't exclude Jon. A false dragon is still a dragon. False doesn't have to mean fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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