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10 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Pence can sell it too. He recently gave a speech that was better than any speech Trump has ever given in his life. Therefore, I suspect he won't be giving any more speeches for some time to come. :P

You know, speaking more eloquently than Trump is a very, very, very, very low bar to step over.

Like seriously, I can't even listen to this guy. My English teacher used to joke about how simple Bush jr. puts his words, but she's likely shaking her head in disbelief listening to the nonsense he sprouts. But I guess that's just the way his base needs their hate-speeches.

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27 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

At least you can take the Personal Nuclear Holocaust threat off the table though with Pence. I think our position would improve by an order of magnitude under Pence, despite the Religious nonsense.

This is where I am at as well.  There are many, many, many issues where I vehemently disagree with Pence, but he is not the loose cannon that Trump is.  The tweeter in chief is a daily embarrassment and is setting us back with our allies, setting us back on the environment, setting us back on nuclear weapons policy due to his child-like irresponsible attitude towards nuclear weapons.  I know Pence is really awful on LGBT issues in particular, but as all of us are organic and vaporizeable, I'd rather see the back of the orange maniac and fight those battles as they come.  At least Pence seems capable of behaving like an adult.  

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@Fragile Bird yep, I agree.  He's chasing that bet as you say, to stay in the game.  So yes Obama wire tapped him.

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30 minutes ago, TerraPrime said:

Slightly different snake oil. Pence is for the bread-and-butter conservatism, where women can't have abortions, gays are seen as icky, and we allocate resources to businesses. That's different from Trump's brand of ideology, which is that Trump is the Greatest, he always wins, and brown people are icky. 

Would Pence oust the Bannonites who are actively attempting to implode vast swaths of the US Executive branch (State, EPA, etc)?

If Pence were to only do that, his odious form of conservatism would be a step up and possibly survivable until the midterms or even 2020 when he could be voted out.

He's not a likable character and I think a majority of Americans see through him

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Sad state of affairs when Pence is the better option. 

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This is next level nuts.

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5 minutes ago, Nasty LongRider said:

Sad state of affairs when Pence is the better option. 

Sadder still when IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE. I don't think we've ever seen incompetence on this level. I'm not sure there's anything even comparable. Rob Ford maybe? The Flint Water failure, I guess? 

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1 hour ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

I know its probably not en vogue to look at poll aggregators any more, but according to 538 Trump has about a 43/52 rating. There has been a slight, measurable uptick in his disapproval numbers recently, probably all emanating from healthcare reform.

Well, gee, given that 538 is the one poll aggregator that it seems to me did get the 2016 election right (they said Trump had about a 30% chance of winning, which given how close the election was seems very reasonable I would certainly think 38 is still well worth looking at. 

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10 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

Sadder still when IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE. I don't think we've ever seen incompetence on this level. I'm not sure there's anything even comparable. Rob Ford maybe? The Flint Water failure, I guess? 

Honestly, my take on Trump from early on was that it was as if Americans saw Rob Ford and declared they could do it bigger and better.

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1 minute ago, James Arryn said:

Honestly, my take on Trump from early on was that it was as if Americans saw Rob Ford and declared they could do it bigger and better.

Yeah, you're right. In terms of scale it's not truly comparable. 

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Just now, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

Yeah, you're right. In terms of scale it's not truly comparable. 

Yeah, as crappy as he was, Ford could fuck with zoning issues and commandeer fleets of public transport buses for personal usage. Trump has nuclear codes and can basically start WWIII. 

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Why do I have to think of Ford's infamous I am a married man. I eat at home moment. And it sounds like something Trump could have said, word for word.

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3 hours ago, Leap said:

Gowdy seemed almost angry at Comey, to be honest. Raised his voice several times in his questions. 

The police surveiling and then leaking information about US citizens, Gowdy should be angry

Comey says they take it seriously, but why is no one ever prosecuted?

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36 minutes ago, Toth said:

You know, speaking more eloquently than Trump is a very, very, very, very low bar to step over.

Like seriously, I can't even listen to this guy. My English teacher used to joke about how simple Bush jr. puts his words, but she's likely shaking her head in disbelief listening to the nonsense he sprouts. But I guess that's just the way his base needs their hate-speeches.

I've said this before, but I believe the way Trump speaks is a key component of why some voters love him. It's exceedingly simple, yes, and so they never feel he's talking down to them.

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3 minutes ago, mormont said:

I've said this before, but I believe the way Trump speaks is a key component of why some voters love him. It's exceedingly simple, yes, and so they never feel he's talking down to them.

Yup.

NSFW-Language

/He's a straight-talker!

You're dumber than shit!

Edited by Manhole Eunuchsbane

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Pence, being the more competent person, would not neccesarrily be a good thing though. If the Orange nutjob cannot stay focused on implementing his agenda, why would we want to replace him with a religious zealot, but able minded 2nd in command who will stay focussed and actually get more terrible stuff accomplished. I'd rather not see Pence in there, let the Donald keep burrying himself. Before the terms over he will have all sides united against him and in 4 years we could go back to having a real President again. Trump staying on the job and blabbing about conspiracy theories will slow down the bad policy from getting passed.

Either way its sadly going to be a term that Americans will have to suffer through but thats the price you pay for electing a deranged person, the U.S. voted for this now they own it.

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Or lots of people started increasingly thinking scholarly public speaking is more flash than substance?

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2 minutes ago, Notone said:

Why do I have to think of Ford's infamous I am a married man. I eat at home moment. And it sounds like something Trump could have said, word for word.

Aside from being at opposing extremes on substance abuse, there are all kinds of parallels if you allow for scale. Both inherited lucratative businesses but portray themselves as self-made men, both are famous for cronyism and corrupt business practices but embraced by their supporters as a refreshing alternative to political corruption and cronyism. Both came into office with troubling records re: personal behaviour that would normally make any political career DOA but generate so much controversy in the now that people generally forget about the past. Both have florid bombastic styles that supporters love and the rest find dumbfounding in it's appeal. Both tick the box on several 'isms' but somehow get a pass by blaming everything on liberal/biased media, even when it comes directly from their own mouths. Etc.

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32 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

Sadder still when IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE. I don't think we've ever seen incompetence on this level. I'm not sure there's anything even comparable. Rob Ford maybe? The Flint Water failure, I guess? 

What if that incompetence is actually what is saving us?  What if the agenda being pursued is just your typical GOP agenda with a gross amount of incompetence from actually getting anything done?  

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13 minutes ago, Commodore said:

The police surveiling and then leaking information about US citizens, Gowdy should be angry

Comey says they take it seriously, but why is no one ever prosecuted?

Lol, they go after journalists of course. Many of the leakers are likely elected members or personnel from the White House. How have news agencies been able to break news about all kinds of matters, including government plans? Parties leak all kinds of shit when it's to their advantage and then feign horror when it's not.

Holy fuck, Trump stood there last July and called on the Russians to hack Clinton. But now he screams at leaks and says but the Clinton leaks weren't confidential information!

He reminds me of that famous comment of Winston Churchill:

“Churchill: "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?" Socialite: "My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course... "
Churchill: "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?"
Socialite: "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!" Churchill: "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price”

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