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8 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

After watching the hearings today I became hopeful about some pigeons coming to roost on the White House occupants, but then Trump surrogate Jeffrey Lord came on and said he appeared on an Alabama radio show today. He was told by the host that no one is worried about 45's tweets about Obama spying on him because "we speak Americanese here, unlike the elites in Washington, and we all know exactly what the President was saying, he was saying he had been under surveillance."

Really, I despair for your country. :(

And Trump followers were interviewed at today's rally, and said, among other things, the media were making too much of a big deal over Russia and the President was doing a fine job, a mighty fine job, keeping his promises, like about immigrants, and it's not his fault the courts have blocked him, that's out of his control.

I fing hate people like that so much being in Alabama doesn't make you more 'merican then people in DC or the two coasts. But Lord an Trumps henchmen is pulling an older than dirt trick from Watergate "no one cares about some third rate burglary they need bills to pay"

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5 hours ago, Triskan said:

I'm still a bit surprised that O'Malley received so little backing in the polls.  I realize that the party establishment heavily backed Hillary, but I'd have thought that O'Malley would have done better in getting some of the support that didn't go to Bernie.  

Mudguard - Thanks for the reminder on the "update the testimony' thing.  That does help explain.  Psychology is a funny thing.  As many horrified by Trump have been, I've been lamenting Comey at times, but now that I'm hopeful he's going to harm Trump I'm seeing his actions in the Fall in a more favorable light.  So the horrible conclusion for me is that like the literature states even those aware of the cognitive biases are still victim to them, lol.

Sanders was plausible as the liberal insurgent candidate for president in that race in a way that, say Dennis Kucinich never was, at the same time that Clinton's web of connections, qualifications, sacrifices and strengths on paper made her an overwhelmingly obvious choice -- if she wanted it. The result of that was that the grassroots (with some nudging by professional activists) coalesced behind Sanders much faster than they usually do in a race and so he had all the momentum for anyone who harbored any doubts about pulling the lever for Clinton. 

It left O'Malley in the unfortunate position of being both camp's second choice, either as a generally uninspiring but generically 'okay' plan B, or as a very impressive, "That guy would be good too!" Whether or not he should have received that reception is ultimately irrelevant, people don't vote for the best available substitute.

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9 hours ago, aceluby said:

What if that incompetence is actually what is saving us?  What if the agenda being pursued is just your typical GOP agenda with a gross amount of incompetence from actually getting anything done?  

Thanks for this point. This is what I was trying to point out, but you've made it much more concise and clear.

Trump cant help but get in his own way.....thats a good thing imo.

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2 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

Thanks for this point. This is what I was trying to point out, but you've made it much more concise and clear.

Trump cant help but get in his own way.....thats a good thing imo.

Until he has to make a decision that will have potentially dire consequences for the entire world. At that point this incompetence will be absolutely disastrous.

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Well yeah I get that point as well, unfortunately my country rolled the dice and decided electing this idiot would be a good idea. 

I have noted that all the people at work who were gloating about thinking Trump would be so great (during the campaign) are now absolutely silent, none of them are bragging about voting for him now. It reminds me of the Iraq war cheerleaders only this has happened in a much, much, faster basis.

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15 hours ago, Triskan said:

I'm still a bit surprised that O'Malley received so little backing in the polls.  I realize that the party establishment heavily backed Hillary, but I'd have thought that O'Malley would have done better in getting some of the support that didn't go to Bernie.  

Other posters have made some good points about why O'Malley's candidacy didn't go anywhere, but I'll add one more: the protests following the death of Freddie Gray. That brought out a lot of his short comings as the mayor of Baltimore, and it didn't help that it became apparent that Littlefinger's character from the wire was in part based on O'Malley. 

13 hours ago, Rippounet said:

If the French can keep their shit together it should be all right. If they don't... All bets are off the table. I've been toying with the idea of opening a thread about the French elections but the insanity of it is such that I can't bring myself to explain to other people how terrifying it has become.

Please make the thread and keep us informed. I agree with you and others that the French elections will make or break the West's trajectory for decades to come. 

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No discussion yet on the SCOTUS confirmation hearing?  I heard a congressman state today that he thinks it'll only need 51 votes.  I'm gonna be pissed if Democrats cave like that.

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Slow day...

2 hours ago, aceluby said:

No discussion yet on the SCOTUS confirmation hearing?  I heard a congressman state today that he thinks it'll only need 51 votes.  I'm gonna be pissed if Democrats cave like that.

Well get ready to be pissed then. Republicans hold all the cards and I doubt this is the hill the Democrats are going to want to die on. I suspect that Gorsuch gets 60-65 votes when all is said and done. 

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22 hours ago, Ormond said:

Well, gee, given that 538 is the one poll aggregator that it seems to me did get the 2016 election right (they said Trump had about a 30% chance of winning, which given how close the election was seems very reasonable I would certainly think 38 is still well worth looking at. 


Well, golly, obviously I still think they are worth looking at or I wouldnt have linked it.

Anyway, here is an article from the same site with speculation that the uptick in his disapproval numbers may very well be from health care (Obama lost 10 points around the same time he was passing the ACA, so there is historical precedence)

 

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26 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Slow day...

Well get ready to be pissed then. Republicans hold all the cards and I doubt this is the hill the Democrats are going to want to die on. I suspect that Gorsuch gets 60-65 votes when all is said and done. 

They are a bunch of cowards if this is how it goes down.  To be politically rewarded for denying a sitting president his constitutional bound duty is all kinds of messed up.

Fuck them.

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45 minutes ago, aceluby said:

They are a bunch of cowards if this is how it goes down.  To be politically rewarded for denying a sitting president his constitutional bound duty is all kinds of messed up.

Fuck them.

What realistic thing would you like them to do, because it sounds like you're advocating for them to break the Senate as we know it. Maybe they'll have to do it at some point, but I don't think you want to do it this early and not over this nomination. If you're going to force the Republicans to go nuclear then do it on an issue that will be political suicide for them. 

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16 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

What realistic thing would you like them to do, because it sounds like you're advocating for them to break the Senate as we know it. Maybe they'll have to do it at some point, but I don't think you want to do it this early and not over this nomination. If you're going to force the Republicans to go nuclear then do it on an issue that will be political suicide for them. 

I remain unconvinced that there exists such a thing as 'political suicide' for Republicans save perhaps in actually doing something like compromising with Democrats.

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1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

What realistic thing would you like them to do, because it sounds like you're advocating for them to break the Senate as we know it. Maybe they'll have to do it at some point, but I don't think you want to do it this early and not over this nomination. If you're going to force the Republicans to go nuclear then do it on an issue that will be political suicide for them. 

Yeah.  It would be next level moronic for the democrats to obstruct that nomination for purely political reasons.

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6 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Unreal:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/rex-tillerson-skip-key-nato-summit-plans-travel-russia-n736226

The title says all you need to know. I guess the Trump Administration's trolling has now gone global. 

You're being a bit dramatic, aren't you?

 

And the title is misleading, actually. Assuming the article is correct, and that seems like a bit of a leap at this point, he isn't skipping the NATO meetings to go to russia, as the title implies.  He's skipping the meetings to meet here with the president of China, and sending Shannon to NATO.

 

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However, Tillerson is instead sending the State Department's second-most senior official, Tom Shannon, to the key NATO meeting on April 5-6.

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Reuters, the news agency that first reported Tillerson's decision, quoted unidentified officials saying that the secretary of state would be staying in the U.S. to attending meetings between Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping at the president's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.

Though of course ALL of that information is from nebulous 'unnamed sources'.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Swordfish said:

Yeah.  It would be next level moronic for the democrats to obstruct that nomination for purely political reasons.

Is that sarcasm I sense?

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2 minutes ago, aceluby said:

Is that sarcasm I sense?

Nope.

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19 hours ago, Jaxom 1974 said:

True. 

My wondering is more if it had been O'Malley or anyone other than those two.  I think it quite possible Russia wanted Bernie, but certainly not Clinton.  

I think it's more that Russia wanted to spray the US with shit so they could say "See, the US is just as shitty as us."  I think the Trump getting elected thing was totally a huge bonus.  (At least hey thought so for a while....  They may be having second thoughts)

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21 minutes ago, Swordfish said:

Yeah.  It would be next level moronic for the democrats to obstruct that nomination for purely political reasons.

I'm sure that finally voters will punish obstructionism and reward pointless decorum in the next election.  Annnny time now.  

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Just now, MerenthaClone said:

I'm sure that finally voters will punish obstructionism and reward pointless decorum in the next election.  Annnny time now.  

Moderate democratic voters will.  The exact moderate voters who failed to turn up for Hilary.

And what options do they have really?  The optics of it are bad enough after the hernia they had about this exact topic last year, but they can't really win, and Gorsuch is about as good a candidate as they are gonna get from a republican administration.

Are you suggesting they should stall for 4 years(or god forbid, 8?)? To what end?  That's some pretty pointless and dangerous brinkmanship.

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