Prince Yourwetdream Aeryn Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I have questions about these titles (Warden of North, South, East, West): 1.Are they just titles or something more important? 2.Does being Warden of East makes Lannisters more stronger than Tullys and Tyrells? May be in times of war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Claude Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 The term seems to be utterly symbolic. Of course the Wardens of the North South East and West are all also the lords paramount of those regions. Think about it, what other region is in the north of Westeros? It's all the North anyway. The Lannister rule the westerlands, the Vale rules the east, the Tyrells command the south, what's left? The Tullys would have to be Wardens of the center, the Dornish wouldn't listen to the Warden of the South, and the Vale is too isolationist to care about what the Stormlands do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daena the Defiant Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 28 minutes ago, Brandon Baratheon said: I have questions about these titles (Warden of North, South, East, West): 1.Are they just titles or something more important? 2.Does being Warden of East makes Lannisters more stronger than Tullys and Tyrells? May be in times of war? The Wardens have specific military duties, largely for the defense and security of the territory. In times of invasion or insecurity they can summon troops in the king's name without the official approval of the king in far away Kings landing. They historically align with the holder of the lordship paramount of each region, or at least a member of the family, which is why Jaime Lannister being named Warden of the East was such an aberration. For example, it's very unlikely that Lady Jeyne Arryn, the Maid of the Vale, was the Warden of the East; it was probably a male relative, or one of her prominent bannermen. If she had married, it probably would have been her husband. Note - there are lesser wardencies (wardenships?). Some of the Dornish lords have warden titles of smaller territories. Also, when Robb was King in the North, which included the Tully lands around the Trident, he created his great uncle Brynden the 'Warden of the Southern Marches.' A march is a territory that is a border against a possible hostile territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renly's Banana Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 They're just honorary titles. A lot of people have such monikers in the story. Lord Yronwood is the "Bloodroyal." "Lord of the Crossing" is a Frey, Mace Tyrell is the "High Marshal of the Reach", etc. Generally these "Wardens" tend to be families that have had close relations to the Iron Throne in the past. Lannisters and Arryns and Tyrells had always been licking Targaryen boot. So "trusted" houses with influence. The Starks are pretty much the odd duck out, but so is the entirety of the North. As for Martells and Greyjoy.. I imagine they don't give a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Snowflake Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 The title of "warden" is more than just honorary title. During the conversation between Ned and Robert in AGOT, Ned warns Robert on the danger of placing half of the realm's armies in the hands of the Lannisters. Robert told Ned how he named Jaime Lannister Warden of the east due to SR's youth and feebleness I always thought that each warden were in charge of an army, which was to fight against a specific threat. For example, the warden of the North encompasses all of the Northern Houses and is charged with defended the realm from any attacks from wildlings, who've managed to bypass the wall, and from any threat from northern Essos. The Warden of the East probably is charged with defending the 7K from any army invading from Essos, the Warden of the East would command Vale, Stormland, and Crowlands armies most likely. The Warden of the West encompasses Lannister, Tully, and Greyjoy armies, and they would guard against any threat against the west coast of Westeros. This would probably include the ever looming threat of ironborn raiders....I seem to remember reading that King Robert summoned his Warden of the West and North to help crush the Greyjoy rebellion. The Warden of the South encompasses Tyrell, Martell, and marcher lord armies against all threats from the south, which during most of the 7K history would include Dornish incursions, attack from pirates of the Stepstones, and any threats from S. Essos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 “ Wardens are supposed to defend their regions against invaders. In theory, at least, they are each the supreme general for their region and therefore preventing any disunity of command.[1] ” - George R. R. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renly's Banana Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 hours ago, FreeWifi said: The title of "warden" is more than just honorary title. During the conversation between Ned and Robert in AGOT, Ned warns Robert on the danger of placing half of the realm's armies in the hands of the Lannisters. Robert told Ned how he named Jaime Lannister Warden of the east due to SR's youth and feebleness I had completely forgotten that Bobbert made Jaime the Warden of the East there for a hot minute. Probably because it was super vague and brief and didn't lead to anything. So I take it back. I don't think the Wardens are just an honorary title. I think the Wardens are a somewhat vague concept that GRRM introduced and then failed to explore or expand upon much, to the point where we're now debating what exactly it is they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolbeard the Exile Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 What im curious about is which warden controls if he even controls the stormlands, riverlands, crownlands, iron islands and dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 7 hours ago, Daena the Defiant said: The Wardens have specific military duties, largely for the defense and security of the territory. In times of invasion or insecurity they can summon troops in the king's name without the official approval of the king in far away Kings landing. They historically align with the holder of the lordship paramount of each region, or at least a member of the family, which is why Jaime Lannister being named Warden of the East was such an aberration. For example, it's very unlikely that Lady Jeyne Arryn, the Maid of the Vale, was the Warden of the East; it was probably a male relative, or one of her prominent bannermen. If she had married, it probably would have been her husband. Note - there are lesser wardencies (wardenships?). Some of the Dornish lords have warden titles of smaller territories. Also, when Robb was King in the North, which included the Tully lands around the Trident, he created his great uncle Brynden the 'Warden of the Southern Marches.' A march is a territory that is a border against a possible hostile territory. https://68.media.tumblr.com/c569b07891b626b3869e46173cdf96d9/tumblr_noo4rxcuil1unl8s2o2_500.gif 3 hours ago, Coolbeard the Exile said: “ Wardens are supposed to defend their regions against invaders. In theory, at least, they are each the supreme general for their region and therefore preventing any disunity of command.[1] ” - George R. R. Martin Thank you. It is a official military position not a fake title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000th Lord Commander Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Its worth noting that some of those titles are historically to defend against areas that are now part of the Seven Kingdoms. Warden of the South was supposed to defend against Dorne, Warden of the West against the Ironborn. And they all would be subordinate to the King or his Hand. Its also worth noting that Jamie Lannister was expected to inherit the Warden of the West title, despite not being his father's heir. Maybe because until the war of 5 kings, Tyrion (as Lannister heir apparent) was not noted for any martial skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.