Potential link between WWs, warlocks and UnGregor implied by the score?

[Pink Fat Rast]

Obviously one of the main questions regarding the whole "myth arc" is which of the seemingly unconnected mystical phenomena encountered so far might turn out to be connected after all - as opposed to something that's there to enrich the world and show that all of reality doesn't revolve around the WWs.



Robert Strong, aside from it not being clear if he's dead or not (he breathes after all), is effectively a zombie in the original sense of the word - wondering whether Qyburn applied magic to him that's related to the Wights or the red priests' resurrections, is only natural, however it's not even clear whether there was any "magic" involved to begin with, or just "science".

This plot point could be there to show that this world is full of different possibilities, including technological inventions able to challenge some of the existent magic in its effects - or, if it was sorcery after all, it could be there to indicate that along with Mirri, the Red Priests and even the WWs/CotF, different forms of resurrections forms of resurrection or cheating death are simply a possibility in this world and doesn't indicate the existence of any Gods or Devils.

After all, what makes Beric staying alive and gradually losing his memories and personality, that different from skinchangers staying in an animal's brain and slowly dissolving away? The latter seems to be "just magic" and nothing particularly sensational beyond that.


Similarly, Warlocks are presented as a cult of sorcerers who have simply mastered certain skills and seek power - not that different from the Red Priests in Essos, except those claim to serve an almighty God without really showing much more impressive skills: they can see visions too, and they can't teleport / duplicate themselves and neither can the Walkers btw.

So the Warlocks, along with the FM, could simply be there to imply that just because the Red Priests have magical powers and the Septons/FM(lol) don't, doesn't mean their "one true God" is real.



So anyway, similarities in some of those groups' musical cues in the show might suggest otherwise:
-the S1 opening is somewhat similar to the Warlock theme - two alternating ambient chords, one of them Major (in the first case both), and a similar feel overall;
"interestingly", probably just due to horror conventions but perhaps something in-universe who knows, the monsters in that opening sequence seem to have the ability to teleport, or appear out of nowhere

-the "WW mystery motif" that's introduced in the following episodes (in Tyrion's conversation with Mormont) consists of a minor 3rd downwards, and then a major 3rd downwards;
at the end of S2 when the wights are shown up close, it's played "in full force" - except both 3rd are minor.
The UnGregor theme is, again, a minor 3rd and then a major 3rd, while the timbre (kind of a distorted electro "brass") resembles the S2 ending; however due to emphasis on the 2nd and 4th note rather than the 1st and 3rd, and the different tone overall, the connection isn't necessarily as immediately obvious to the listener.
Had the S2 ending used "minor-major" that it technically should have, it would've been obvious.


So... a hint "hidden in plain sight" in the music, or mere coincidence? YOU DECIDE

[Pink Fat Rast]

On 7.4.2017 at 11:07 PM, Pink Fat Rast said:

"interestingly", probably just due to horror conventions but perhaps something in-universe who knows, the monsters in that opening sequence seem to have the ability to teleport, or appear out of nowhere

Btw something I've never seen being brought up in "book-show changes" discussions, or "complaining about book-show changes" discussions - and it's weird because people constantly bring up Daenerys' fire immunity vs. "one time blood magic ritual", and general difference between the Others and WWs - but one thing I've never seen brought up is:

Hasn't the show pretty much come up with a new mystical skillset for several independent groups?
1) I don't recall Bookpyat doing any weird duplication/teleportation tricks - true, the warlocks had a different cool thing going on with the Undying that was left out of the show, but other Qarth stuff was left out of the show, but this was an addition I'm pretty sure.
Pyat just invited her into the House, obviously didn't assassinate the 13 with his clones, and didn't try to chain Dany up all by himself. And the manticore assassin wasn't a warlock horror girl that disappeared from one place and reappeared elsewhere.

2) As said in the OP, the opening scene depicts the WW&Ws as the kind of horror / ghost slasher attackers who come up behind you once you turn around, stop you from the other side when you run away from them, phase in and out of trees etc.
In the book they were much more in line with their subsequent show appearences - specifically "Door" and the one that came for Gilly, i.e. kind of slowly walking out of a dark woods and attacking.

And true, in both cases the wildling corpses were vanished when the rangers returned to the site - however, in the book version the Others were kind of huge pricks who were "mocking" and "laughing" at the guy as they were "dueling" him, they seemed like the type of cunts who'd just sneak up on the camp and drag away the bodies while no one was looking, sniggering all the way (ethereally, of course).

In the show prologue, they're more like a force of nature, in a true "haunted forest", and it feels more like they just made the corpses vanish - so there's that, too.

3)
Jaqen H'gar does something similar in S2 when he appears up on the rock and then magically reappears behind Arya - that obviously didn't happen in the book, as they just talked after the coup/massacre and then he did the face thing and moved away.

He makes Weese's dog attack him or something, and the 3rd "kill" is an organized group coup where Rorge and Biter and some other guys partake as well - no "shoot a dart into guy and then disappear out of closed hallway", no "creepily massacre all the guards where they're standing without Arya's group noticing anything".

So he can teleport, too.



With the Warlocks it's obviously an actual ability, with the Walkers it might be a yet unrevealed ability or just what it appeared like to a scared and confused Well or just theatrics for the audience, and with Jaqen it seems to have been either just a gimmick for the audience or something that was retconned in the later seasons along with some of the things he said in that scene (like recruiting her for revenge and then she doesn't remember that in S5).


Still, a peculiar pattern worth noticing at the very least - whether it's gonna lead to something or not, can't be predicted I'm rather sure.