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1 hour ago, Altherion said:

Sure they could, but what's in it for China? They could have changed the status quo any time in the past few decades and didn't do it so unless NK does something truly unacceptable or the US is willing to commit a sufficiently large carrot or stick, China is probably not going to budge.

Right now, no, there's no incentive for China to change the program. But things are getting worse for China-NK relations and, oh I don't know, if the US could give it a push and a nudge, they might be able to convince China to clean house. But Trump is probably more eager to strike deals that benefit his hotel and casino and female escort services in China than he is about regional stability. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, White Walker Texas Ranger said:

What are the current procedures if the POTUS may be showing signs of dementia?

Let his wife make the decisions. This worked for Reagan.

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5 minutes ago, White Walker Texas Ranger said:

What are the current procedures if the POTUS may be showing signs of dementia?

it's all covered by the 25th amendment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

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Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration[edit]

Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[25] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacitation prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President may resume exercising the Presidential duties by sending a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House.

 

3 minutes ago, maarsen said:

Let his wife make the decisions. This worked for Reagan.

And Wilson.

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35 minutes ago, maarsen said:

Let his wife make the decisions. This worked for Reagan.

Seriously, the procedures are outlined in the 25th amendment, and have about as little a chance of actually passing as humanly possible.

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35 minutes ago, maarsen said:

Let his wife make the decisions. This worked for Reagan.

Yep. Also Wilson (technically a stroke, but he was similarly incapable of governing).

The 'real' answer is that Pence would need to invoke Section IV of the 25th amendment:

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Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office

 

Hard to see that happening though. Even if there's an official diagnosis.

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28 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

Maybe, maybe not. The official who had them didn't report them as being stolen until 2 days after they had disappeared. Seems a little fishy at best.

Also, is it common for election machines to be toted around in peoples random cars?  That seems so strange to me.

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3 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

<sighs>

Trump just basically announced war on the Canadian dairy industry.

I haven't seen any details but just from that one sentence I am more likely to side with the Trump admin* on this than with Canada, since we've been looking to take Canada to the WTO on its dairy trade policies for a while now. Of course we were looking towards TPP to deal with most of those issues without having to take a dispute to the WTO, but we may need to go back to square 1, unless a regional trade agreement excluding the US can be put in place pretty soon.

We generally like Canada and we work well together on a lot of international trade matters. I just wrote a letter to the new CFIA president saying how much we work well together. But when it comes to dairy trade Canada really is a total dick.

 

*though I may not agree with the Trump admin's appraoch

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1 hour ago, Kalbear said:

Seriously, the procedures are outlined in the 25th amendment, and have about as little a chance of actually passing as humanly possible.

You appear to have forgotten the buffoon elected into the Oval Office.  That too, was considered a long shot by the conventional rulebook - right up until it happened. 

Now, go drag out the *other* rulebook :)

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2 hours ago, White Walker Texas Ranger said:

What are the current procedures if the POTUS may be showing signs of dementia?

I would think you need an actual diagnosis, not just symptoms that someone has looked up on WebMD.

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2 minutes ago, ThinkerX said:

You appear to have forgotten the buffoon elected into the Oval Office.  That too, was considered a long shot by the conventional rulebook - right up until it happened. 

Now, go drag out the *other* rulebook :)

Sorry, what do the commenters on internet message boards say?

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Just now, The Anti-Targ said:

I would think you need an actual diagnosis, not just symptoms that someone has looked up on WebMD.

You actually don't. You simply need the VP and some cabinet members to state that he is unfit - for no specific reason, as it turns out. 

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5 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Sorry, what do the commenters on internet message boards say?

Well, since you asked...until the recent attacks in Syria and Afghanistan, I was noting a steady trickle of disillusioned Trump supporters - and not just the 'anybody but Hillary' crowd.  The health care fiasco *really* ticked a lot of people off.  Others are wondering why there is not even a hint of the promised jobs materializing in their areas, though they're not quite to the 'blame Trump' stage.   

People like you make occasional reference to conservative 'cult' mentality.  People do de-convert from cults, but its a long, slow process, a bit at a time.  Much the same is going on with some Trump supporters (I spent years posting at a Christian debate site, and watched multiple on-line deconversions, btw). 

From the comments, barring something dramatic (like a 'popular' war or just maybe his 'Hire American' executive order), I see Trumps overall approval rating trending steadily downhill, along with a continual gradual erosion of his base.

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43 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

I haven't seen any details but just from that one sentence I am more likely to side with the Trump admin* on this than with Canada, since we've been looking to take Canada to the WTO on its dairy trade policies for a while now. Of course we were looking towards TPP to deal with most of those issues without having to take a dispute to the WTO, but we may need to go back to square 1, unless a regional trade agreement excluding the US can be put in place pretty soon.

We generally like Canada and we work well together on a lot of international trade matters. I just wrote a letter to the new CFIA president saying how much we work well together. But when it comes to dairy trade Canada really is a total dick.

 

*though I may not agree with the Trump admin's appraoch

We have a managed dairy system, using quotas. Dairy farmers in Canada do very well, and we (the public) pay twice as much for milk as Americans. Milk was covered by NAFTA, and would have been further covered by TPP, as Fez said. The issue between Wisconsin and Canada is filtered milk, which boosts protein in cheese, a relatively new product that wasn't covered by NAFTA because, I think, it didn't exist at the time.

Frankly, I don't give a shit about Wisconsin dairy farmers, they have a market of 330 million people to sell to. Canadian dairy farmers don't sell to the US because our milk is too expensive. Any dairy products we sell to them are made with US milk, which comes in duty free for export back to the US.

As for your milk, why don't you just manage your supply better? (That was a joke...).

We already buy a staggering amount of food from the US (winter fruits and vegetables), Canada will be protecting its dairy farmers, methinks.

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