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Daenerys, Young Griff, and Stannis

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20 minutes ago, The Doctor's Consort said:

He also was whispering in Aerys' ear to turn him against the rest of his family.

I don't recall that. But being beautiful is a Valyrian trait not Rhaegar's trait.

How do you know that?

You mean by the people around him which PoVs we don't have?

There is a Tyrion quote with him saying Aegon could have any girl in the world because he is so beautiful. Cersei says multiple times how damn beautiful Rhaegar Targaryen was. 

Young Griff is well educated and intelligent, speaking several languages, and is well versed in history. He speaks the Common Tongue as a native speaker. He is fluent in High Valyrian, in the Bastard Valyrian dialects of Pentos, Tyrosh, Myr, and Lys, and in the trade talk. He is a novice at speaking the dialect of Volantis, only familiar with a few of its words. The dialect of Meereen, whose terms derive from both Valyrian and Ghiscari, gives him trouble.[34] He has some training in mathematics, with a decent knowledge of sums and a limited understanding of geometry. He also has been trained in songs. Tyrion notes that Young Griff is more learned than "half the lords in Westeros".[34] He is a good fighter.

Since he is so perfect people are naturally drawn to him and he manages to turn around and rally the Golden Company in a improvised speech. 

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22 minutes ago, Coolbeard the Exile said:

There is a Tyrion quote with him saying Aegon could have any girl in the world because he is so beautiful. Cersei says multiple times how damn beautiful Rhaegar Targaryen was. 

Again, that is the Valyrian traits. Rhaegar wasn't the only one. Lys is full with people looking like Targ.

22 minutes ago, Coolbeard the Exile said:

Since he is so perfect people are naturally drawn to him and he manages to turn around and rally the Golden Company in a improvised speech. 

He already had the GC, others like Varys and Illyrio had done this for him. There is no proof that he is liked by other than his people. Heck we don't know if they liked him since we don't have their PoVs.

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3 hours ago, The Doctor's Consort said:

Again, that is the Valyrian traits. Rhaegar wasn't the only one. Lys is full with people looking like Targ.

He already had the GC, others like Varys and Illyrio had done this for him. There is no proof that he is liked by other than his people. Heck we don't know if they liked him since we don't have their PoVs.

No there are plenty of ugly targaryens Rhaegar and Aegon are definatly more beautiful than average.

The Golden Company seemed pretty unmotivated and low energy when they were introduced to Aegon and at the end of his speech the men were flashing their boobs to him in excitment.

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10 minutes ago, Coolbeard the Exile said:

No there are plenty of ugly targaryens 

Plenty of ugly Targs? 

10 minutes ago, Coolbeard the Exile said:

Rhaegar and Aegon are definatly more beautiful than average.

More beautiful than average Valyrian? I am not sure where you read that.

10 minutes ago, Coolbeard the Exile said:

The Golden Company seemed pretty unmotivated and low energy when they were introduced to Aegon and at the end of his speech the men were flashing their boobs to him in excitment.

Yet we know that they were already his men since the beginning of the book.

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Just now, The Doctor's Consort said:

Plenty of ugly Targs? 

 

More beautiful than average Valyrian? I am not sure where you read that.

Yet we know that they were already his men since the beginning of the book.

Jesus christ have you read the books? It is so extremely difficult to text with you. Im actually curious if you have read the books for real. You don't think Rhaegar was beautiful or talented and you dont think aegon is beautiful and talented. I dont know how to talk with you.

Would you say that women throw themselves at Jaherys, Aerys, Daeron, Baelor, Jaehaerys, Aenys and Viserys??? Whilst they might not be ugly they defintatly don't arouse any women on sight.

Sure but it seemed like the men were on the verge of quiting and that they needed a cool speech.

 

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9 hours ago, Coolbeard the Exile said:

Varys begged Aerys not to open city gates for one.

Varys would rather have the Mad King Aerys in power still, so that the realm stays divided so that when another Blackfyre Rebellion comes many of the high lords will side with the Blackfyes over the "Mad King". Hell Robert Baratheon isn't even a full-Targaryen and half the realm sided with him. If Robert Baratheon was to take over he'd unite the realm (which he did) which would not end well for the Blackfyres if they were to cross the narrow sea again. Hell Varys was fueling Aerys' paranoia and was creating a rift between Rhaegar & Aerys before the Rebellion. Varys wanted Rhaegar gone because he was well liked and would unite the realm once Aerys died. Hell even Tywin liked Rhaegar and was willing to leave Aerys for dead during the defiance of Duskendale in favor of Rhaegar taking over.

Rhaegar or Robert = Stable Realm

Aerys = Unstable Realm

 

The whole point of Daenerys marrying Drogo was so that Viserys & Drogo would go to Westeros and reek havoc, making the realm unstable so that when the noble "Aegon Targaryen" comes across as everybodies' savior they'll flock to him. Varys & Illyrio don't give a shit about Targaryens or they wouldn't be sending Daenerys & Viserys to almost certain death.

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5 minutes ago, Adam_Up_Bxtch said:

Varys would rather have the Mad King Aerys in power still, so that the realm stays divided so that when another Blackfyre Rebellion comes many of the high lords will side with the Blackfyes over the "Mad King". If Robert Baratheon was to take over he'd unite the realm (which he did) which would not end well for the Blackfyres if they were to cross the narrow sea again. Hell Varys was fueling Aerys' paranoia and was creating a rift between Rhaegar & Aerys before the Rebellion. Varys wanted Rhaegar gone because he was well liked and would unite the realm once Aerys died. Hell even Tywin liked Rhaegar and was willing to leave Aerys for dead during the defiance of Duskendale in favor of Rhaegar taking over.

Rhaegar or Robert = Stable Realm

Aerys = Unstable Realm

 

The whole point of Daenerys marrying Drogo was so that Viserys & Drogo would go to Westeros and reek havoc, making the realm unstable so that when the noble "Aegon Targaryen" comes across as everybodies' savior they'll flock to him. Varys & Illyrio don't give a shit about Targaryens or they wouldn't be sending Daenerys & Viserys to almost certain death.

Im not quite sure what Varys motives are but i am quite confident Aegon is a legit Targaryen born of Lyanna and Rhaegar. Very confident actually.

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14 hours ago, Coolbeard the Exile said:

Jesus christ have you read the books?

Of course not. When someone doesn't agree with you then he hasn't read the books.

14 hours ago, Coolbeard the Exile said:

You don't think Rhaegar was beautiful or talented and you dont think aegon is beautiful and talented. 

Beautiful yes. More beautiful than the other Valyrians? No. Talented at what? Rhaegar was good at music and that is all and Aegon has proved to be learned not talented.

14 hours ago, Coolbeard the Exile said:

Whilst they might not be ugly they defintatly don't arouse any women on sight.

How do you know that?

14 hours ago, Coolbeard the Exile said:

Sure but it seemed like the men were on the verge of quiting and that they needed a cool speech.

Heck no. Someone doesn't built an invasion for so many years and left it on a boy who have never been tested. This would had been a rookie mistake.

14 hours ago, Adam_Up_Bxtch said:

Varys & Illyrio don't give a shit about Targaryens or they wouldn't be sending Daenerys & Viserys to almost certain death.

Exactly. They use them but they don't care about them.

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