Bakker XLVIII - Selected to LEAD not to READ

[Michael Seswatha Jordan]

17 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

Now THERE'S a good question.Will we get an explanation for that head on a pole stuff?

Well Bakker said he got inspiration for "the head on a pole" while writing the story in a coffee shop. The reflection from his screen shown the window behind him and it looked like a head on a pole. So, based off that Geoffrobro over at SA theorized that it his own head. That it him seeing his self through his soul. A kind of anchor to know he's alive while in the Outside. That we'll get a definitive answer is unlikely, methinks. I do like that theory though, plausible and makes sense.

[Callan S.]

1 hour ago, Darth Richard II said:

Now THERE'S a good question.Will we get an explanation for that head on a pole stuff?

It's post human. Boom-tish!

[Happy Ent]

3 hours ago, Callan S. said:

It's post human. Boom-tish!

Bravo.

[End of Disc One]

Regarding Wert's tweet

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I'm not sure it's actually physically possible to review THE UNHOLY CONSULT. It's like "Well, SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER."

Pat's going to get in trouble with his review, isn't he

[Gasp of Many Reeds]

17 hours ago, Darth Richard II said:

But how many STARS?

Where we go, the stars are dead and the void is cold.

[Werthead]

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Are you sure no therapy?

 

No. I'm surprised Bakker held back so much. He could have gone really balls-out grimdark on this but he didn't, certainly no moreso than normal.

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Now THERE'S a good question.Will we get an explanation for that head on a pole stuff?

...kind of?

[Werthead]

Did I mention that the book opens with a Black Sabbath quote?

[Hello World]

I mean you can give a rough breakdown of the main arcs/povs, right? I remember that Pat gave a fairly long PoV breakdown last year if I'm not mistaken.

[unJon]

Sounds like there will still be grist for speculation after TUC. I'm actually glad for that. 

[Kalbear]

1 hour ago, Werthead said:

Did I mention that the book opens with a Black Sabbath quote?

Wow, that really does get to the heart of the story: a setting that was come up by geeks in high school playing D&D. Kudos for staying close to your roots.

[Werthead]

59 minutes ago, Hello World said:

I mean you can give a rough breakdown of the main arcs/povs, right? I remember that Pat gave a fairly long PoV breakdown last year if I'm not mistaken.

I think I can safely say that Akka, Mimara and Proyas are still POV characters. Given that pretty much everyone else's fate was left unresolved at the end of TGO, I won't say more than that.

[Kalbear]

On your review, Wert - we know that the weapon in Dagliash has been seen several times before, and Kellhus read about it. That's apparently how he knew what to do and what the effects are. 

[Werthead]

The Aspect-Emperor Book 4: The Unholy Consult

The Great Ordeal has crossed a thousand leagues in its quest to reach Golgotterath, stronghold of the vile Consult, and to destroy it and the abominations it harbours within. It has braved a horde of a million Sranc, betrayal and, in the shadow of the ancient fortress of Dagliash, a weapon unlike any seen before in the world. Before it lies the Agongorea, an utterly dead land, beyond which lies the fabled Golden Horns of their foe. But the Ordeal is stretched to breaking point, its food gone, its Aspect-Emperor departed on an errand of his own and its greatest heroes missing on dire quests. It falls to King Nersei Proyas to guide the Ordeal over the last leg of its journey...and to a confrontation with history.

When is the ending not the ending? Thirty years ago, when Scott Bakker first conceived of The Second Apocalypse, he planned to conclude it with the events that, finally, conclude this novel. Some time later he reflected that this might not be the best idea, and drafted a plan for (at least) two further novels to wrap up the saga in a different manner.

Having finished The Unholy Consult - the seventh and most revelatory novel in the series to date - it is hard to say if this was a good idea or not. For those who read this series (so far comprising two sub-series, the Prince of Nothing trilogy and the Aspect-Emperor quartet) for the warring philosophies, SF ideas such as genetic engineering and quantum theory seen through an epic fantasy prism and the way it inverts so many fantasy tropes to the point where they unhinge, I suspect they would have seen nothing wrong with Bakker dropping the mike on the final line of this book (and it's a humdinger) and walking off into the sunset. I suspect other readers, such as those who enjoy the brainy digressions of the series but still read it as an epic fantasy with cool magic and a mystery-laden storyline, would be more horrified at the prospect. Whilst dropping the series at this point would doubtlessly be more artistic, more bloody-minded and more, well, Bakker, it'd also be, from a mundane narrative standpoint, less satisfying.

Rewinding to the start, The Unholy Consult picks up in the tumultuous aftermath of The Great Ordeal, which left many of the major characters of the series apparently dead or missing. The novel wastes no time in resolving most of these questions and getting the story back on track. Other events fall away and the story begins to narrow in on Golgotterath as the Great Ordeal, battered, bloodied and compromised by the horrors it has been forced to adopt to survive, finally arrives in the shadow of the Golden Horns. Other factions soon join them and there are moments of reunion as characters compare notes on their experiences and realise that their prior assumptions about what they face may have been erroneous.

From there the book explodes in a titanic battle sequence as Ordeal and Consult finally clash and we realise, in the grand tradition of Tolkien (whose influence lies deeper on this series than I think is often appreciated), that both forces are not what they once were, that evil has degraded and is lesser than it once was even as good faces the same predicament. The battle is long, arduous and packed with individual moments of epic heroism and foul reversals. Bakker, for all of his philosophical preoccupations, is good at blowing stuff up and sets to blowing stuff up in this battle with wild abandon. But the battle outside the foul Ark is matched by another struggle deeper within it, as intellects and ideologies clash in a struggle of viewpoints which is even more important.

Indeed, seasoned fantasy readers may be struck by the structural similarity between The Unholy Consult and A Memory of Light, the final novel in the Wheel of Time sequence, of the great "last" battle of swords and sorcery being matched by a battle of arguments and semantics that may decide the fate of the world. Bakker is considerably more concise here (in a novel less than half and only a bit more than a third as long as A Memory of Light) and of course roots his arguments in considerably more complex concepts.

The Unholy Consult is a striking novel, remarkable for its conciseness given the magnitude of the ending it depicts (similar to The Thousandfold Thought, the conclusion of The Prince of Nothing trilogy which opened this mega-series, Bakker knows how to drop an effective ending without milking it for a thousand pages) and for the way the author handles his revelations. This series is rooted in mysteries built atop mysteries and it'd be easy for the author to refuse to address them (like Lost), or give a nonsensical, pat answer you suspect they thought of only five minutes earlier (like the latter Battlestar Galactica), but Bakker shows no fear in simply squarely answering questions with answers reached a long time before. He resolves thematic and character arcs begun fourteen years ago in The Darkness That Came Before and if you figured out the answer to a particular mystery in a late-night discussion on the Three-Seas, Westeros.org or Second Apocalypse Forums five years ago, well done. Also, hold tight because here come another three revelations which you really didn't see coming. There are some revelations here that will have the reader nodding in approval, others that will be mystifying and several that are surprising in both their content and their elegance (one, extraordinarily important, answer to a vital series-spanning question would even border on the mundane, but the implications of the revelation are far-reaching).

Other issues go resolutely unaddressed: those hoping for Bakker to drop a Dungeons and Dragons Manual of the Planes-style explanation of how the metaphysics in his universe work should brace themselves for disappointment, although some concepts are further elaborated upon. The author is careful here to reveal some more of the recipe for this story without giving you a full list of the ingredients.

Events build in the novel to a frenzy of battles, arguments and, yes, death swirling down, and Bakker sticks the landing. Epic fantasies have a rather horrible tendency to blow the ending but The Aspect-Emperor gets the payoff it deserves, more The Lord of the Rings and The Crippled God rather than Magician's End or The Born Queen, and epic and impressive it is. You not so much read the finale as survive it, and in the nerve-shredded aftermath have to ask the question which will drive a lot of discussion in the months and years ahead: "Now what?"

The Unholy Consult (****½) is perhaps less elegantly structured as a novel than some of its forebears, with not much in the way of build up before it starts smashing things asunder (from that perspective, this books feels the lack of The Great Ordeal immediately before it far more keenly than vice versa), but it makes up for that with tremendously satisfying character moments, Bakker's best-ever action scenes and, in the final chapter, possibly Bakker's most powerfully effective pieces of prose to date. The novel will be published on 6 July 2017 in the UK and on 11 July in the USA.

Note: The Unholy Consult is a relatively short novel, clocking in at around 450 pages. The rest of the book is made up by an encyclopaedic glossary - an expanded successor to that found in The Thousandfold Thought - a collection of maps and two short stories previously only available on Bakker's website: The False Sun and Four Revelations.

[Kalbear]

Also, ugh. If the gods get explained as a wave function across time in some handwavy way like he did with genetics and the Whale Mothers I'm gonna be annoyed.

[Callan S.]

1 hour ago, Werthead said:

Did I mention that the book opens with a Black Sabbath quote?

He likes to bring in different media - other examples are the fourth wall breaks and bring space aliens into fantasy (not done so much since expedition to iron mountain)

It'll probably prove too wakeful for some.

[Sheep the Evicted]

Wow, 6th of July is much closer than I thought. Also glad to see the ending was even vaguely satifying. I've been worried for a while now that Bakker would troll us with something awful and say he was "subverting expectations".

[Maithanet]

Sooo...does death come swirling down?  It's mentioned in your review, but I want to be sure.  We have a right to know.

[Hello World]

20 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

On your review, Wert - we know that the weapon in Dagliash has been seen several times before, and Kellhus read about it. That's apparently how he knew what to do and what the effects are. 

This was in TGO? Because I don't remember anything about the nuke being seen before or Kellhus reading about it.

[Kalbear]

Just now, Hello World said:

This was in TGO? Because I don't remember anything about the nuke being seen before or Kellhus reading about it.

No, it was extra-textual. People were complaining about Kellhus' reaction and Bakker mentioned that it had happened before in the Cuno-Inchoroi wars, mentions of 'scaldings'. Might have been in the thread Bakker participated in on this site.

[Kalbear]

Also, the quantum thing is making me think a bit more. I suspect we've had this conversation in the past, so forgive me if I'm not giving someone credit for it, but if you have a really basic theory on Heisenberg and momentum/location, gods start becoming a bit more...interesting.

The cycle of watcher and watched boils down to needing a watcher to presumably fix position. In this case, the position being fixed is not in spacetime, but in intent. Everything on Earwa is watched by the God and therefore is maximally objective because it's maximally fixed in intent due to the gaze. In the Outside, God does not see everything and Gods can see things - but only some times, and only some places. 

This describes the weird phrase of the gods having to spread themselves thin through all of time in order to affect something in a big way at one place in space and time; they are a wave function that exists throughout the Outside's spacetime, but observing them in strength in one place pins them somewhat as well as reduces their overall strength of a wave function, in the same way that channeling a wave through a rocky shoal makes that wave stronger and all the surrounding weaker.

Free will and the like are also still fine in this model - they still don't really exist, as everything is objectively observed and therefore pinned; the only way to have free will is to not be observed, and presumably that's what the No-God is going for.