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R+L=J v.164

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On 7 June 2017 at 4:34 AM, Shmedricko said:

Arya was speaking to Gendry, but I wonder if Martin was also thinking of Jon when he wrote this. Same here:

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"Your dreams don't lie," said Dunk, "but you do. John is not your true name, is it?"

"No." The Fiddler's eyes sparkled with mischief.

He has Egg's eyes.

"His true name will be revealed soon enough, to those who need to know." Lord Gormon Peake had slipped into the pavilion, scowling. "Hedge knight, I warn you—" (The Mystery Knight)

I think this passage proves the theory that 'Jon' is not really Jon's name at all. The name was just a cover up for Ned to hide him as his bastard, which means his original name could be something a lot more Targearyen. And I could totally picture GRRM chuckling when writing this "His true name will be revealed soon enough, to those who need to know." As if actually talking to us :)

Edited by WeKnowNothing
Seriously, the Dunk and Egg books provide a TON of evidence and foreshadowing for ASOIAF. Truly is amazing

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On 6/16/2017 at 6:50 AM, WeKnowNothing said:

I think this passage proves the theory that 'Jon' is not really Jon's name at all. The name was just a cover up for Ned to hide him as his bastard, which means his original name could be something a lot more Targearyen. And I could totally picture GRRM chuckling when writing this "His true name will be revealed soon enough, to those who need to know." As if actually talking to us :)

Empire magazine recently spoiled Jon's true name for the show. Not sure if GRRM will use that name, though, but it is a fitting name. 

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It is stated here that it is not a leak but a fan theory, as well as supposedly lip-reading from Season 6. - Not sure if this counts as a spoiler but, just for the sake:

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I must say that I quite like the idea - Jaehaerys starts with the same sound, so Ned kept at least something from the name that Lyanna gave her son, and especially: Jaehaerys the Conciliator. Sounds much like what Jon is doing, making peace to fight the common enemy. It even ties into the prophecy: Rhaegar's grandfather Jaehaerys was the one ordering the marriage of Aerys and Rhaella, though I am not sure if Rhaegar would see this as a positive thing.

 

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I was on board with Jaeherys being the name, but on a recent re-watch I saw Aegon. Maybe it's my new TV but now I'm Team Aegon - not because I particularly like it as his name, but I really think that's what she's saying.

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4 hours ago, anjulibai said:

Empire magazine recently spoiled Jon's true name for the show. Not sure if GRRM will use that name, though, but it is a fitting name. 

The show fans seem to either go with Jaehearys or Aegon, since they probably tried to lip read Lyanna's words as much as possible. Although that does not make any sense, as Rhaegar already had a son called Aegon (why they would show in a prequel) and the Jaehearys's have been taken out of the shows Tagearyen family tree. So using these names would be very sudden and it would make show only fans even more confused.

personally, I hope they go with 'Aemon' as being the true name since D&D try to copy as much from the books as possible, and the books have A LOT of foreshadowing for the name Aemon. And also would be bittersweet since the characters know Maester Aemon, and he had a good relationship with Jon.

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I meant the show only fans know Maester Aemon

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Personally, I'd go with Aemon, too, but I think that the Jaehaerys theory has its merit.

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12 hours ago, Ygrain said:

It is stated here that it is not a leak but a fan theory, as well as supposedly lip-reading from Season 6. - Not sure if this counts as a spoiler but, just for the sake:

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I must say that I quite like the idea - Jaehaerys starts with the same sound, so Ned kept at least something from the name that Lyanna gave her son, and especially: Jaehaerys the Conciliator. Sounds much like what Jon is doing, making peace to fight the common enemy. It even ties into the prophecy: Rhaegar's grandfather Jaehaerys was the one ordering the marriage of Aerys and Rhaella, though I am not sure if Rhaegar would see this as a positive thing.

 

Well that author was an idiot. Why do that? What's the point?

I do agree with your reasons for liking the name, but now I'm wondering if it isn't something else. 

ETA: I think Aemon is likely, too. 

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On 6/19/2017 at 11:08 PM, anjulibai said:

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On 6/20/2017 at 1:09 AM, Ygrain said:

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I must say that I quite like the idea - Jaehaerys starts with the same sound, so Ned kept at least something from the name that Lyanna gave her son, and especially: Jaehaerys the Conciliator. Sounds much like what Jon is doing, making peace to fight the common enemy. It even ties into the prophecy: Rhaegar's grandfather Jaehaerys was the one ordering the marriage of Aerys and Rhaella, though I am not sure if Rhaegar would see this as a positive thing.

 

 

On 6/20/2017 at 3:56 AM, WeKnowNothing said:

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Probably worth a reminder that discussion of the show in the General forum can lead to a ban:

You might want to delete the text of those posts before someone reports them.  Unless I am mistaken about what those posts were about (I stopped reading before getting to what it appeared might be show-related stuff).  That is very important to those of us who don't watch the show, especially since the final season is about to come out. 

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