Dr. Pepper Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 43 minutes ago, denstorebog said: Wouldn't it be awesome if Barron turned out to be the King Tommen of the bunch? Tommen of the show? I mean, no, that wouldn't be awesome because it would mean he's close to jumping out a window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: In a sane world, he never would've been elected in the first place. In a sane world, nobody would have lent him a dime after his second bankruptcy, let alone after the third and fourth, his illegal casino loan, his money laundering charges.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted May 22, 2017 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 Just now, Triskan said: Conclusion: we are not living in a sane world. SAD, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitttenGuard Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Quote “The White House does not confirm or deny unsubstantiated claims based on illegal leaks from anonymous individuals,” Trump usually tweets the confirmations. On other occasions he confirms with clarifying remarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, Triskan said: Conclusion: we are not living in a sane world. Hate to tell you all, but despite Trump this insane world is probably less insane than it's been at most points in past history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivin Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I hope the buffoon does not get impeached yet. It's far too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted May 22, 2017 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, WinterFox said: I hope the buffoon does not get impeached yet. It's far too soon. It's going to take months. This guy will not throw in the towel, even if the writing is on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I'm sort of surprised he's not going for the "I was the fastest, bestest impeached president ever, no one could impeach faster than me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivin Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 We need it to take 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 There is almost zero chance that Trump gets impeached in the next 2 years. There's not even a particularly good chance that he is impeached at all, and there's even less of a chance that he gets indicted in the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted May 22, 2017 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Kalbear said: There is almost zero chance that Trump gets impeached in the next 2 years. There's not even a particularly good chance that he is impeached at all, and there's even less of a chance that he gets indicted in the Senate. Let us dream just a bit. No need to wake us just yet. And remember, there's no honor among thieves. This could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Triskan said: I swear I've seen tons of conflicting opinion on this and don't know what to think. Even though I understand the dynamic where it feels unlikely to get the needed amount of GOP Senators I still have a feeling it's possible depending on what new revelations might arise. Indeed. There is no basis for making confident predictions about this one way or the other until the investigation is complete, and the facts come to light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 ugh, not to relitigate this again, but a friendly reminder that trump is pretty much driving forward a pretty standard republican agenda, he's just doing it dumbly and rudely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I don't know about impeachment, but Trump may get an express ticket to the hellmouth*:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/22/sinkhole-forms-in-front-of-mar-a-lago-metaphors-pour-in/?utm_term=.e02c7e1eb301 *and if you've watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer, you know what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Triskan said: I swear I've seen tons of conflicting opinion on this and don't know what to think. Even though I understand the dynamic where it feels unlikely to get the needed amount of GOP Senators I still have a feeling it's possible depending on what new revelations might arise. Yeah, I listened to a really good Sam Harris podcast last night on the subject featuring Anne Applebaum and Juliette Kayyem. I guess it all boils down to how much of a liability this guy becomes for the GOP. Seems to me that he's already pushing that envelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Triskan said: I swear I've seen tons of conflicting opinion on this and don't know what to think. Even though I understand the dynamic where it feels unlikely to get the needed amount of GOP Senators I still have a feeling it's possible depending on what new revelations might arise. And that's fair - though my logic is less on the house/senate needs and more on the singular important thing to consider: It takes a fucking long time. Let's assume they actually started doing the impeachment process, like, right now. The House judicial committee would need to draw up articles of impeachment (probably at least a month) along with do a major investigation. This happened only in a couple weeks for Clinton, but that was because the independent investigation took 3 years to complete. If they don't have that, it takes a lot longer. They then vote, and then it gets passed to the senate to have trial, which is another couple months. Chances are good that it takes anywhere from 6 months to 2 years to complete. During that time the government is basically doing nothing. This was solved in Clinton's case by doing it during the 1998 lame duck session, but no such luck here. There are no bills being passed or signed, no budgets, nothing. That is a lot of time to lose. And for Republicans, it's too much time to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S John Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 22 minutes ago, Triskan said: I swear I've seen tons of conflicting opinion on this and don't know what to think. Even though I understand the dynamic where it feels unlikely to get the needed amount of GOP Senators I still have a feeling it's possible depending on what new revelations might arise. I'm with Kal for now, I think there's a good deal of wishful thinking involved in hopes of Trump getting impeached. Further, I think in today's climate of misinformation it might actually be the worst possible thing that could happen in terms of how divided the US is politically. Get rid of Trump prematurely and we are talking about tens of millions of Americans who are going to feel completely vindicated in what Rush and Hannity et. al. have been saying for years - that it IS true that the (liberal) Washington establishment and the (liberal) news media can and will supersede our democracy. And I do believe that things could get uglier than they already are. As long as Trump doesn't go slinging any nukes around, I'm not sure what would be solved by impeaching him and replacing him with a more competent republican with regard to the shit sandwich agenda of which we are all about to take a bite. When the R's own the house, senate, and the white house Trump's idiocy may be the only thing standing in the way of steamrolling a lotta stuff that the more liberal minded among us don't wanna see steamrolled. It's not like if Trump goes we get to have an election and pick someone else entirely. It'll be Pence and we're still saying goodbye to healthcare and the EPA and the Dept. of education. I think the best hope for a swing to the left in American politics is for the Democrats to focus on getting their own shit together with a non-geriatric candidate and trouncing Trump in the 2020 election after he's blundered his way through four years of scandal and national embarrassment. Trump gets pulled before his term is up and the current political divide gets worse and will take generations to overcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 And to echo what @WinterFox said , David Brin has a good point on NOT impeaching - at least not right now. Quote Let me reiterate. Falling for any offer from Paul Ryan -- to 'help' democrats remove Donald Trump -- would prove what we long suspected, that Democratic politicians are mostly-loyal and well-meaning... but politically dumber than a sack of rocks. If Ryan makes such an offer, the dems must say: "Trump is YOUR problem. Get the entire GOP House to vote impeachment and (maybe) we might provide a few votes." Better yet, face it - Trump is more an embarrassment than a deadly danger! Now, with the entire civil service, Intelligence Community and Officer Corps alerted to the craziness, he is in many ways already neutralized. This task of ensuring our safety can be completed, with carefully chosen measures that will not ruin the office of the presidency... just make it child proof. Instead of impeachment, Dems -- and a critical mass of sane Republicans (the few, the not-so-brave) -- should concentrate on a quartet of carefully crafted pieces of neutralizing legislation. Items so clearly in the national interest that McCain and Collins and a few dozen others would feel compelled to help them get passed, in lieu of the stupid trauma of impeachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Obviously, Barack Obama’s middle east policy left a lot to be desired. But, at least, Obama made known his disdain for American military involvement in the middle east and his general disdain for Saudi Arabia, even if deeds did not always follow words. I approved his general notion of disengaging from the Middle East or at least toning down American military involvement there and “re-orienting” elsewhere. Obama of course took a lot of flak from the American foreign policy establishment for his tone on the Mid-East. Ironically, enough, the person I thought might actually be more likely to follow Obama’s direction in the Middle East was actually the Orange Swamp thing and not HRC, as I figured HRC was more likely to follow the usual foreign policy establishment play book. Not that would in itself made me vote for Trump as considering everything HRC was clearly the better and more qualified of the two, even if she had her flaws. Evidently, it looks like I was very wrong in my assessment: https://www.vox.com/2017/5/20/15626638/trump-saudi-arabia-arms-deal Quote President Trump has just announced the sale of a whopping $110 billion to Saudi Arabia which includes “tanks and helicopters for border security, ships for coastal security, intelligence-gathering aircraft, a missile-defense radar system, and cybersecurity tools,” reports ABC News. It forms part of a 10-year, $350 billionagreement in a “strategic vision” between the two countries, reports the Washington Post. The deal had been in the works for some time, but the White House evidentlypushed hard to finalize the deal in time to announce it during the president’s trip to Saudi Arabia. It was meant to send a clear message: Trump isn’t going to do things the way his predecessor did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 31 minutes ago, Rippounet said: I don't know about impeachment, but Trump may get an express ticket to the hellmouth*:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/22/sinkhole-forms-in-front-of-mar-a-lago-metaphors-pour-in/?utm_term=.e02c7e1eb301 *and if you've watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer, you know what I'm talking about. Outstanding headline there! lol....I first wrote "Ouststanding headline...." Freudian or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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