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Just now, Altherion said:

Some people still care, yes, but the left and right no longer do and the middle is being hollowed out. And yes, the people who support Gianforte's actions while criticizing the attacks on conservative speakers at universities are just as hypocritical as the people who are attacking Gianforte now but supported the punching of Spencer. Logical consistency doesn't have much value anymore beyond one's side being right and the opposite side being wrong.

One can argue that someone who is willing to punch out reporters for disagreements is not suited to run for office while be entirely believing one should punch nazis. These things really aren't contradictory in any meaningful way unless you think that politicians should punch out Spenser. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

In 2015, a crack commando unit was formed by an insane New York Real-Estate Developer and undercover Orangutan in an effort to get himself elected President of the United States of America. These men promptly colluded with a contentious foreign government, and proceeded to occupy the White House. Today, still wanted by the very government they are supposed to serve, they survive by lying, subverting the Free Press, and conning rubes. If you have a problem, and no one else can help, you can go fuck yourself, cause these guys couldn't give a hairy rat's ass about you. Seriously, you really have no business wanting to hire THE A-TEAM...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/26/steve-bannon-to-head-trumps-russia-war-room-legal-team-street-fighters-and-surrogates.html?ICID=ref_fark

Ugh! 

Can you warn a bitch before sending her to fox news?

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Just now, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

In 2015, a crack commando unit was formed by an insane New York Real-Estate Developer and undercover Orangutan in an effort to get himself elected President of the United States of America. These men promptly colluded with a contentious foreign government, and proceeded to occupy the White House. Today, still wanted by the very government they are supposed to serve, they survive by lying, subverting the Free Press, and conning rubes. If you have a problem, and no one else can help, you can go fuck yourselves, cause these guys couldn't give a hairy rat's ass about you. Seriously, you really have no business wanting to hire THE A-TEAM...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/26/steve-bannon-to-head-trumps-russia-war-room-legal-team-street-fighters-and-surrogates.html?ICID=ref_fark

LOL. Love your A-Team reference.

I'm going to assume here that Trump isn't going get to be George Peppard here and say, "I love it when a plan comes together", cause everything he touches becomes a cluster.

Anyway, if the Trumpster wants to take the gloves here, let's just hope somebody rises to the occasion and says, "Okay".

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22 minutes ago, WinterFox said:

I didn't say they were. 

I suggested they had a mental disability.

 

That's so much kinder.  They're stupid because they believe something different from you.  Sweet mother of God is this where we've gotten to that when people disagree with you they have to be evil or stupid...???

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Just now, Altherion said:

Some people still care, yes, but the left and right no longer do and the middle is being hollowed out. And yes, the people who support Gianforte's actions while criticizing the attacks on conservative speakers at universities are just as hypocritical as the people who are attacking Gianforte now but supported the punching of Spencer. Logical consistency doesn't have much value anymore beyond one's side being right and the opposite side being wrong.

Well, I don't believe in the use of political violence as means to shut somebody's speech down, a lot for the reason I don't believe in being the one to initiate violence against another person. 

But anyway, are you now retracting your prior attempt to excuse Gianforte? Because there was no excuse for his action.

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8 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

I PITY THE FOOL THAT DON'T PREVIEW A LINK!

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Readin's for rich people.

4 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

That's so much kinder.  They're stupid because they believe something different from you.  Sweet mother of God is this where we've gotten to that when people disagree with you they have to be evil or stupid...???

I'm just going with the flow at this point. The republic is almost certainly doomed, I want to get my shots in before I'm lynched.

But more on point, I did not say anyone (nor all with contrary views) were stupid or crazy. I said libertarians were on the spectrum, suggesting they have a mental disability. 

I made the original comment as a piggyback to your own benign use of the word spectrum. It was a smile and wink joke. 

But I'll stand by it. If you want the deconstruction of social programs and to eliminate the ability of the government to function, then you have a mental disability. Either you cannot empathize with those who have less than you, or you cannot understand the benefits of a society. Both of those options indicate malfunctioning mental faculties.

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1 hour ago, Altherion said:

And yes, the people who support Gianforte's actions while criticizing the attacks on conservative speakers at universities are just as hypocritical as the people who are attacking Gianforte now but supported the punching of Spencer.

There's a pretty obvious difference between a (hopeful) elected official assaulting a member of the press and a private citizen assaulting another private citizen.  I hope that helps you navigate your tortured false equivalencies!

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4 minutes ago, MerenthaClone said:

There's a pretty obvious difference between a (hopeful) elected official assaulting a member of the press and a private citizen assaulting another private citizen.  I hope that helps you navigate your tortured false equivalencies!

Hey now, we know that all violence is wrong unless it's the non-elite killing all the elite, in which case it's totally cool, yo.

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7 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Hey now, we know that all violence is wrong unless it's the non-elite killing all the elite, in which case it's totally cool, yo.

Workers of the world unite!

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Just now, dmc515 said:

Workers of the world unite!

I like that we went from this being a socialist utopian battlecry to a very real fear that  the machines would rise up and kill us as a general AI took everything over. 

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Just now, Kalbear said:

I like that we went from this being a socialist utopian battlecry to a very real fear that  the machines would rise up and kill us as a general AI took everything over. 

Hey man, why are you being so discriminatory and assuming that the AI-run machines aren't people?  They're perfectly allowed to advocate for adequate working conditions for themselves and deserve to own the means of production just as much as a human worker.   Robo-slavery is still slavery.  

Spoiler

Spare me during the purge, SHODAN! :P

 

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8 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

I like that we went from this being a socialist utopian battlecry to a very real fear that  the machines would rise up and kill us as a general AI took everything over. 

Marx (and James Cameron) is the real Nostradamus!

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1 hour ago, Kalbear said:

One can argue that someone who is willing to punch out reporters for disagreements is not suited to run for office while be entirely believing one should punch nazis. These things really aren't contradictory in any meaningful way unless you think that politicians should punch out Spenser. 

Sure. In fact, as I said earlier in this thread, I expected more people to be making this argument, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Of course, there's also the Ned Stark school of thought which suggests exactly the opposite (i.e. that people in leadership positions should be willing to carry out the dirty work with their own hands every once in a while).

1 hour ago, OldGimletEye said:

But anyway, are you now retracting your prior attempt to excuse Gianforte? Because there was no excuse for his action.

I was not excusing Gianforte. I merely said that I understand the people who excused him. Given that there were a lot of them, it's a bit facetious to claim that there was no excuse for his action. I don't find this excuse altogether convincing and you don't find it convincing at all, but the voters of Montana like it well enough.

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3 minutes ago, Altherion said:

Of course, there's also the Ned Stark school of thought which suggests exactly the opposite (i.e. that people in leadership positions should be willing to carry out the dirty work with their own hands every once in a while).

Yep, if Ned Stark were a contemporary politician he'd be tombstone piledriving reporters like a boss.

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4 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Here's what he's facings punishment wise:
 

http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/what-punishment-greg-gianforte-face-conviction-assault-jail-time-fine/

And here's one Congressman's statement about the incident:

Lovely, right? 

So basically no consequence.  No way he's going to serve a jail sentence if he can plea and pay the full fine. I feel sick.  For 500 bucks a politician can bodyslam a reporter in Montana if they don't want to answer a question.  Then they can be elected the next day.

 

3 hours ago, denstorebog said:

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott showed off his target sheet at a gun range and appeared to joke about shooting reporters, saying "I’m gonna carry this around in case I see any reporters."

That's right, Gianforte has just shown Republicans that promoting one of the central steps towards a fascist state is an effective way to curry favor with the voters. This is gonna be a new norm.

This is why it's so horrifying to me.  It now gives people permission to behave this way.  It will definitely become the new norm.  I can't decide if I should flee now or wait until they shut me off from my bank account.

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Just now, Altherion said:

I was not excusing Gianforte. I merely said that I understand the people who excused him. Given that there were a lot of them, it's a bit facetious to claim that there was no excuse for his action. I don't find this excuse altogether convincing and you don't find it convincing at all, but the voters of Montana like it well enough.

Here is the bit that you wrote, that sent me high and to the right:

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Yes, of course. Freedom of the press is not a license to constantly insult someone and find fault with their actions no matter what they do. I have not heard of this Montana politician prior to the scuffle, but the press is doing the same thing to certain national politicians and they're pretty blatant about it. I suspect the same thing was going on in Montana. Here's a quote from a CNN article:

I have no clue to what you think you were doing here. First, the reporter in question did not as you say “ insult someone and find fault with their actions no matter what they do. ” He asked Gianforte a question of great public interest. But, even if the Reporter had asked him something a bit more trivial in nature, it does not justify or excuse Gianforte’s actions. Nor does severe criticism of Gianfortes actions or policies.

It seems to me you're trying to impose some kind of limitation here on the freedom of the press that doesn’t exist in law, nor should it. The above paragraph is just complete nonsense.

And then making matters worse you quote some idiot who says:

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"We've watched how the press is one-sided. Excuse me, that's how I feel. (They're) making him their whipping boy so to speak through this campaign," Screaner said. "There comes a point where, stop it."

Notice she doesn’t really say, “Ya we know Gianforte fucked up. And we forgive knowing he fucked up.” Instead what does she do? She tries to justify his actions by saying “There comes a point where stop it.” That’s not merely forgiving somebody for fucking up, it’s trying to excuse him for fucking up.

If you don’t think his actions were excusable, then I’m not sure how you “understand” others finding his actions excusable. Understanding them for forgiving him, yes. But understanding them excusing him, no.

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