Martini Sigil Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 As I really want the DC movie universe to succeed, I'm cautiously optimistic about this film. Early reviews seem to lean towards it being the "win" that the overall brand so desperately needed.... if this movie were to fail, I don't expect Aquaman or Flash would be automatic box office successes,,,, but it appears that WW is moving the ball forward... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 It seems reviewed similar to GotG, where everyone agreed it was good but it wasn't given 'best ever OMG' ratings by much of anyone. The reviews I've read indicate that it's good, fun, and not particularly insanely amazing and occasionally has some letdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 5 hours ago, James Arryn said: Does it address why someone from an ancient Hellenistic culture wears a Star-Spangled Banner? Or just one mountain at a time? Because 'Merica fuck yeah! There's a part about it being spearheaded by All American Comics, so ....ok, it really it because "MERICA FUCK YEAH! 45 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said: <snip> Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunderMifflin Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 5 hours ago, James Arryn said: Does it address why someone from an ancient Hellenistic culture wears a Star-Spangled Banner? Or just one mountain at a time? In canon it's because she was a diplomat. Diana is in charge of escorting the American back home when he crashes on the island. So she wears local themed costume, in the same way we might see political dignitaries do when visiting a foreign places. In reality she debuted in 1941. WWII! so fawwk yehhhh!! go Murica! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King in Black Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Reviews seem to be great so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Why ever did the powers chose to change canon origin Wonder Woman arriving on the world scene from WWII to WWI? What was the point of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunderMifflin Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, Zorral said: Why ever did the powers chose to change canon origin Wonder Woman arriving on the world scene from WWII to WWI? What was the point of that? I read an article with the writer saying that WWI fits more with the modern real world in that there's an edge in the world now that global war could easily break out and there are new technologies never been used before. I'm on board with it being a stupid change aka Joker kills Batmans parent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, DunderMifflin said: I read an article with the writer saying that WWI fits more with the modern real world in that there's an edge in the world now that global war could easily break out and there are new technologies never been used before. I'm on board with it being a stupid change aka Joker kills Batmans parent. But was the case equally in WWII. That as a reason -- well, as you say, that doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channel4s-JonSnow Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 It's not a coincidence that the women's rights movement was about that time too! might also be to stop it being a direct copy of cap America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said: It's not a coincidence that the women's rights movement was about that time too! might also be to stop it being a direct copy of cap America It was already up and running for quite some time prior to WWI. It was important that canon Wonder Woman flew planes -- and in WWII they flew a lot, both UK and the US women played big roles in military aviation, including flying planes directly from the factory, as in the UK, to the aviation bases defending against the Nazi blitz bombers fleets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 23 minutes ago, Zorral said: Why ever did the powers chose to change canon origin Wonder Woman arriving on the world scene from WWII to WWI? What was the point of that? I'm not a comic book reader so I've really got no idea what the original canon was but her fighting in WW1 did strike me as a bit odd. It's not too unusual to present the Second World War as being good vs evil but it's pretty hard to view either side in the Great War as the 'good guys' so I'm a little unclear about what's particularly superhero-y about Wonder Women getting involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, ljkeane said: I'm not a comic book reader so I've really got no idea what the original canon was but her fighting in WW1 did strike me as a bit odd. It's not too unusual to present the Second World War as being good vs evil but it's pretty hard to view either side in the Great War as the 'good guys' so I'm a little unclear about what's particularly superhero-y about Wonder Women getting involved? Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunderMifflin Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 http://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-world-war-1-setting-explained/ Heres the "explanation" for the WWI change. Even if all these reason are/were completely legit I still think it's a flimsy reason to change such established canon all willy nilly. It probably points to why DC movies are failing(to be good) on the whole. It's lack of respect for why and how these characters became global icons. Replaced by fast food type production with attempts at only immediate gratification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, DunderMifflin said: http://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-world-war-1-setting-explained/ Heres the "explanation" for the WWI change. Even if all these reason are/were completely legit I still think it's a flimsy reason to change such established canon all willy nilly. Additionally, the US involvement in overt military participation was at the end, and very different from US participation in WWII. I dunno -- this all sounds predictably dumb and dumber comix decisions, made based on very limited information about what the history of either war was, for every nation involved, which were so many! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Fox Cauthon Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, DunderMifflin said: http://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-world-war-1-setting-explained/ Heres the "explanation" for the WWI change. Even if all these reason are/were completely legit I still think it's a flimsy reason to change such established canon all willy nilly. I thought it was brilliant move that moved Wonder Woman closer to the source material of what inspired her creation in the first place - First Wave Feminism and William Moulton Marston's educational experiences - though it's hardly surprising that a naysayer like you would complain about the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 23 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said: Without really knowing anything about the plot, don't you think it makes more sense for Ares to take the stage during WWI? It was the first real global war, they called it The Great War, it was the first to take advantage of the technology of the day, etc. Why would the god of war wait another decade for a BIGGER war to come along? And of course, someone from the ancient world may very well consider WWI and WWII to be two halves of the same war. By that token he should have gotten involved in the US Civil War. 23 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said: On another note from yesterday, I did recall hearing about a men-only early screening of Logan. I'm curious what the general reaction here is to that. I think it's amusing that the best that men can think of for a man's only movie is centered around two aging men whose best times have left them long ago, slowly dying of old age and drug and alcohol abuse, being stirred into action by a woman who does everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 25 minutes ago, Matrim Fox Cauthon said: I thought it was brilliant move that moved Wonder Woman closer to the source material of what inspired her creation in the first place - First Wave Feminism and William Moulton Marston's educational experiences - though it's hardly surprising that a naysayer like you would complain about the change. Also, there's a story-based reason for it, namely that Wonder Woman is about the notion that there is a purely Good side and a purely Evil side - and then she goes out into the world and finds out that it's a bit more complicated than that. That doesn't work at all in WW2, but it works extremely well in WW1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Zorral said: Why ever did the powers chose to change canon origin Wonder Woman arriving on the world scene from WWII to WWI? What was the point of that? I honestly think it's entirely due to Captain America being set in WWII. The first trailer for WW was already pretty similar to Cap's first trailer and this allows it to look a little bit different. I'm glad they did because WWI is rarely covered in film anymore. I just hope they don't do the lazy thing of portraying the Germans as evil and stick more to them being influenced by a supervillain. I'll spoiler tag as not sure whether this is in the film blurb having Ares stirring shit up throughout Europe could actually work as a way of "explaining" the insanity that was world war I. Even if there are lots of good legitimate reasons why it happened anyhow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, Let's Get Kraken said: I don't think Logan was a man's only movie any more than Wonder Woman is a women only movie. Nor do I; I'm saying that it's the best that the MRA bullshit artists could think of. Which is kind of sad. Just now, Let's Get Kraken said: That being said Logan did have a lot to say about, for lack of a better term, "masculine fears." It explored the fear of powerlessness, being unable to protect your child or your aging father figure, or being ruled by your own rage and fear, being haunted by combat-related PTSD. There was even (I think) a reference to erectile disfunction in that one scene when he couldn't pop the middle claw. It was great on a lot of levels, including masculine fears, but it's very telling to me that people lauding women to see an uplifting, empowering story about women is equated with men wanting to see a depressing, nihlistic movie about men, where the best thing that a man can do is sacrifice their life to let a woman take their place. Just now, Let's Get Kraken said: How do you mean? Well, the Civil War was the bloodiest war that had happened, like, ever, up until WW1. 750,000 deaths in the actual war from combatants. If you want to go further, the Napoleonic war was even more brutal (though not to soldiers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunderMifflin Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 56 minutes ago, Kalbear said: I think it's amusing that the best that men can think of for a man's only movie is centered around two aging men whose best times have left them long ago, slowly dying of old age and drug and alcohol abuse, being stirred into action by a woman who does everything better. Grumpy Old Men was a great movie though. Also to nitpick, "men" came up with Wonder Woman too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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