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Wonder Woman (spoiler thread) - skip to pg. 14 for actual movie discussion

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1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Well, it is based on Greek Mythology.  The Amazons, as an idea, have been around for a very long time.  The "Amazon Rainforest" was named after the Amazons of Greek Mythology.  

Sure, but mythology is fiction. DC comics "appropriated" that mythology and put their own spin on it. I'm not sure how you could frame a  cultural appropriation argument around this movie, that's all I was trying to say.

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5 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Why can't Alamo Drafthouse not just make this an invite only event for the women who purchased tickets for the event.  Even if some jackass wanted to claim that this is actually "Invidious discrimination" (which it isn't) the new designation would shut them down.

Thats actually what they should have done. 

They probably didn't because that wouldn't have gotten much traction in the media

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7 minutes ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

Not really because a birthday party is a private event, you can invite who you want (although if you had a birthday party and wrote 'no blacks, asians, jews' then maybe that wouldn't go down very well either)

This was a public event. It was a public event in the name of equality. The hypocrisy is quite funny. 

Hahahahahahahaa.  It's an special event for woman. There is nothing in the announcement that discusses equality.  It discusses it being a special event for women to celebrate a superheroine. 
https://drafthouse.com/austin/show/women-only-screening-wonder-woman

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The most iconic superheroine in comic book history finally has her own movie, and what better way to celebrate than with an all-female screening?

Apologies, gentlemen, but we’re embracing our girl power and saying “No Guys Allowed” for one special night at the Alamo Ritz. And when we say “People Who Identify As Women Only,” we mean it. Everyone working at this screening -- venue staff, projectionist, and culinary team -- will be female.

So lasso your geeky girlfriends together and grab your tickets to this celebration of one of the most enduring and inspiring characters ever created.

 

Again, just because you weren't invited to a special event doesn't make it somehow illegal or problematic.  Cinemas (and all sorts of businesses) have special events all the time based on gender or age or occupation, etc.

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

Hahahahahahahaa.  It's an special event for woman. There is nothing in the announcement that discusses equality.  It discusses it being a special event for women to celebrate a superheroine. 
https://drafthouse.com/austin/show/women-only-screening-wonder-woman

Again, just because you weren't invited to a special event doesn't make it somehow illegal or problematic.  Cinemas (and all sorts of businesses) have special events all the time based on gender or age or occupation, etc.

Yup.  It is in no way "invidious discrimination".  

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2 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Why do you care?

About which part?

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

Hahahahahahahaa.  It's an special event for woman. There is nothing in the announcement that discusses equality.  It discusses it being a special event for women to celebrate a superheroine. 
https://drafthouse.com/austin/show/women-only-screening-wonder-woman

Again, just because you weren't invited to a special event doesn't make it somehow illegal or problematic.  Cinemas (and all sorts of businesses) have special events all the time based on gender or age or occupation, etc.

Nobody was 'invited' it was public. Which is the issue. Its for the public.. except if you identify as a man. 

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1 minute ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

Nobody was 'invited' it was public. Which is the issue. Its for the public.. except if you identify as a man. 

People who identify as women were invited.  Those who don't identify as women aren't invited.  It's a one night special celebration.  What the fuck do you think this discussion is all about.

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I have high hopes for this film, but I had the same for MoS and BvS. In the latter, I enjoyed the WW scenes most.

The "controversy" around this is like having a "controversy" about ladies night at your local pub. Or your hairdresser asking a higher price for a women's haircut than a men's haircut.

This is all about the bottom line, it's not a great feminist statement, it's not a perfidious discrimination of men, it's just a company doing a clever marketing thing.

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https://www.inverse.com/article/31206-will-wonder-woman-be-feminist

 

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“Feminism is about equality and choice and freedom. And the writers, Patty and myself all figured that the best way to show that is to show Diana as having no awareness of social roles. She has no gender boundaries. To her, everyone is equal.” GADOT

So the movie is trying to position itself as being about feminist ideals and equality, the above comment is rather ironic.

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11 minutes ago, Alarich II said:

This is all about the bottom line, it's not a great feminist statement, it's not a perfidious discrimination of men, it's just a company doing a clever marketing thing.

BINGO. Well put. That's Thread right there people.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Pepper said:

People who identify as women were invited.  Those who don't identify as women aren't invited.  It's a one night special celebration.  What the fuck do you think this discussion is all about.

No real discussion here. He's just going to keep at it, for obvious reasons. Must suck to be an old insecure white dude. 

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10 minutes ago, Relic said:

No real discussion here. He's just going to keep at it, for obvious reasons. Must suck to be an old insecure white dude. 

You're right.  I don't know why I bother.

I also have to laugh because it's doubtful that I'll see this film in theaters.  It's not one I'd bring the kids too (and not just because it's PG13, but also because I'll miss most of it because they'll be disruptive and have to use the bathroom a million times) and I have other films I'd want to see before this one while they are at their camps.  And also, I'm just not a fan of DC stuff.  I can't think of a single film I've really enjoyed and all the tv shows have fallen off my watch list. 

However, not gonna lie, if my local theater had a women only special event, I'd probably go just because the type of men who are against that sort of celebration would be the same ones who would make the screening miserable or annoying to begin with. It would be lovely to have that sort of peace just once at a film showing.

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

 

However, not gonna lie, if my local theater had a women only special event, I'd probably go just because the type of men who are against that sort of celebration would be the same ones who would make the screening miserable or annoying to begin with. It would be lovely to have that sort of peace just once at a film showing.

You keep mentioning this but I have no idea what you are referring to. 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Pepper said:

It would be lovely to have that sort of peace just once at a film showing.

Hope you get to experience it, and not just once. 

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7 minutes ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

You keep mentioning this but I have no idea what you are referring to. 

Psst.  There's this dude in this thread who tried to force another person to turn an actress into a sex object.  Then that dude complained about not being invited to a women's only party and now that dude is even feigning ignorance.

Hint, it's you.

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1 minute ago, Dr. Pepper said:

Psst.  There's this dude in this thread who tried to force another person to turn an actress into a sex object.  Then that dude complained about not being invited to a women's only party and now that dude is even feigning ignorance.

Hint, it's you.

Yes. Very funny. 'cough'

But seriously, if you have people shouting out sexist abuse in movie theatres I suggest you have them removed.. but then I've never seen or heard of this happening, so your fear of this seems a little unjustified.

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9 hours ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

So if it is discrimination, it's technically illegal then? 

Im not sure that discrimination could ever be described as a good thing

Let's clarify something: discrimination is not by itself illegal in the US, and never has been.

  • Certain services MUST be allowed for everyone, including any government service. Things like renting houses cannot be discriminated against based on race or sex.
  • You cannot employ people in a discriminatory way (though there are exceptions to this as well)

But non-essential services and private institutions can (and do) discriminate all the time. Clubs are perfectly allowed to have men or women only memberships, and this has been held up again and again. Institutions like the Boy Scouts are allowed to have only boys. Dance places can have ladies-only nights. You can sue if you want, but the amount of case law against it is absurdly high.

As to discrimination being a good thing or bad thing, it's clearly a good thing in some situations and there's very little reasonable argument against it. Having like-minded people with similar backgrounds being able to talk to each other and experience things just for them has been shown again and again to be valuable for everyone. 

This has nothing - nothing - to do with women being a protected class, and it would be just as legal for there to be a men's only showing or even there to be a men's only theater that did nothing but show movies to men. 

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7 minutes ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

Ok so that doesn't happen to you then. Good to know you were just being hysterical. 

You're in England, right? I bet it doesn't happen there.

It happens all the time in the US. As do actual fights. 

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So, about the film then, any good or what?  Or do we have to have another 5 pages of horseshit before we get onto the subject of the thread? 

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1 minute ago, Kalbear said:

You're in England, right? I bet it doesn't happen there.

It happens all the time in the US. As do actual fights. 

Well if you go to dodgy theatres over here then there might be fights too, but its mostly a rarity. England isn't the cultured polite place you see in the movies for clarification.

But thanks for clearing up the legal side of it. I doubted it would have been illegal, but wanted to ask the question. I did look it up and it does seem that 'ladies night' is outlawed in certain states? So its clearly a bit of a grey area. 

Either way I don't actually care about the legality, its more the message and the hypocrisy of a movie pushing a theme of equality and feminism but at the same time making a clearly provocative move to get media attention. It has so many echoes of the Ghostbusters 'controversy', who used the 'white male loser' argument to deflect from the awfulness of their product. I just hope that WW is good and this isn't what is happening.

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