Ser Daegon

Brienne and Jaime, an Opera

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So when I say that Brienne and Jaimes' story is an opera I mean in the sense of story-type, like Star Wars. Thus far we know how their stories can be parallel, or even mirrored. 
Jaime is the handsome, firstborn son of one of the most powerful Lords in the realm. He grows up with an incredible interest and talent in fighting. He also admires great knights of esteem and honor, like Ser Arthur Dayne. But his great talent at such a young age made him arrogant. The Kingswood Brotherhood incident tests him, and he succeeds. Soon he becomes a knight of the Kingsguard, a position he quickly finds is not the majestic, mythical one he believed it to be. And then he kills Aerys, an event that placed him at odds with so many opposing vows, beliefs, and desires. A vow to protect the weak, protect his family and obey his father, a vow to protect and serve the King. He believes the people need protection, as Arthur Dayne protected and aided the people of the Kingswood. He believes his Father is a good man, despite his sometimes harsh justice. He desires to fulfill and live by his vows, all of them, but he cannot. And the reaction by everyone, excepting his father, is that Jaime is a terrible oath breaker who should have died protecting his King, despite the fact that it was true honor that drove Jaime to kill Aerys. He's gone all this time jaded more and more by this attitude against him, until he begins to live by his reputation of being an immoral, dishonorable knight. His captivity and crippling changes something in him, very small at first, but it begins to grow the more he's around Brienne, who struggles to live up to the same standard that once Jaime also strove to uphold. And so he rescues her from the bear pit, and sends her off to find and protect Sansa and Arya Stark in an effort to make good on his final oath to Catelyn Stark. From then on, he struggles to balance his vows to his family, and his vows to Stark. This balancing act culminates in his successful, bloodless retaking of Riverrun. And then we leave off with him setting out with Brienne of Tarth, once again, on a quest to save the Stark girls (or so he believes).
Brienne is the tall, muscular, masculine, "ugly" daughter of Tarth. She took to fighting, not courtly duties, and filled her head with the same myths and legends that romanticize Knighthood as Jaime believed so strongly as a child. Only she's a woman, and one who is terribly clumsy as a socialite. She failed miserably at trying to fill the role of a typical woman, and so her father relented and allowed her to train like a knight. After the death of King Robert the only man who was ever accepting of her, Lord Renly Baratheon, declares himself King and calls upon swords to join his union with Highgarden. Despite this being an act of treason, Brienne sets out to swear her sword to serve him. And when she shows skill in melee, he names her to his personal guard, an act of honor that deeply effects her. It is only so much more devastating to her, then, when she fails to protect him as he's murdered by a shadow, an event that leaves her feeling broken inside until Brienne finds herself in the service of Catelyn Stark, a woman of honor who revives in Brienne her sense of duty and honor. Brienne is then given a task, escort Ser Jaime Lannister back to King's Landing in return for the release of Lady Catelyn's young daughters. Yet again she fails an oath by allowing Jaime to be captured and mutilated. Suffering from fever during his time recovering from his wounded arm, he tells her of his own failures as a knight, tells her honestly why he killed Aerys and "soiled" his honor. This moment changes the way she sees Jaime, sees how nuanced he is, and how deep down he is not the dishonorable knight the realm has made him to be. This is reinforced when he risks his own life to save her from the bear pit, and Jaime begins to become an object of admiration for her much the same say Renly was. Despite all the japing and harsh comments, Jaime was honest and candid with her, and saved her life. Upon arriving at King's Landing, Brienne learns that she can never return the Stark girls to their lady mother. The Stark girls are not in King's Landing, and Lady Catelyn has been brutally murdered along with her son Robb. Yet Jaime intends to keep his oath to Stark, and sends her off with Oathkeeper to find Sansa and Arya. Her quest comes to an end when she is defeated and captured by the Brotherhood Without Banners, another oath failed. We leave off with her having been sent off to lure Jaime into a trap after her harrowing confrontation with the vengeful Lady Stoneheart. 

That brings us to where we are with their stories.

The parallel in them is in how they each grew up with dreams of being great knights like that of Ser Arthur, and how those dreams have become tainted. Their arcs involving failed oaths and dishonor stand mirrored, and they share the same desire to find some way to fulfill their oaths. In Jaime's case, it is his oath to protect the innocent, the most honorable oath that he witnessed Arthur Dayne fulfilling in the Kingswood. This is reflected in his saving of Brienne, and his attempt to send her to find and protect Sansa and Arya Stark. In Brienne's case, it is her desire to Serve and Protect those honorable whom accept her service, even if it means her death. She would have done what Jaime could not do, had she been in his place with Aerys. And it's what she has failed to do all this time. 

This sets up a play for tWoW involving their arcs, and what I suspect might be how their part of the story unfolds. 

Brienne lures Jaime into the trap, as she was sent to do by Lady Stoneheart. He will be taken as their prisoner and brought before Lady Stoneheart. A trial is held, in which she accuses him of being an oathbreaker. Of this he admits some, but refutes others such as his success at taking Riverrun without taking up arms against the Tullys, and sending Brienne to find and protect the Stark girls. This also corroborates Brienne's insistence that she still holds to her oath to Lady Catelyn, and reminds Brienne of her honor. Lady Stoneheart, being who she is, denies that Jaime has honor and sentences him to death as an oathbreaker. Brienne then faces the crisis of conflicting oaths, just as Jaime had so long ago in Kings Landing. Either follow the command of the Lady Stoneheart, whom she had sworn service to, or protect Jaime with her life. In this moment, she chooses to protect Jaime, whom she sees as innocent of the crime for which Lady Stoneheart has judged him guilty. Swords are drawn, and Brienne fights with a fervor she has never fought with before. But the odds are against them, surrounded by enemies. She is able to kill Lem Lemoncloak and Lady Stoneheart, but not before being mortally wounded. She dies in Jaime's arms, having finally fulfilled her oath to die protecting the one she serves. The confrontation in the caves that results in Brienne's death, having saved Jaime, is the final event before Jaime makes the decision to take up his own destiny, and to live his life the way he chooses, to serve the cause he chooses. Down the line, I believe this would end with him returning to Kings Landing and eventually deciding to end Cersei's mad reign, particularly if she threatens the lives of the people if the city in a similar way Aerys did. 

This possible scenario wraps up the story of Jaime and Brienne since it began in aCoK. That they have made an impact on each others' character is clear. I don't know how it will all unfold, but this is how I think it might go. I don't think Jaime's story will end until Daenerys Targaryen comes to take Kings Landing. He may even be the one who orders the city to open the Dany. This might bring Tyrion and Jaime face to face again.

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Thanks for the insight. There is sure a lot of stuff to discuss, but it is the idea of Brienne's sacrifice I want answer to.

I would be somewhere disappointed when we witness her struggle to become a warrior only to have her do what is expected from woman and without further ado. To suffer and to sacrifice themselves. This won't take her investment in knighthood seriously enough IMO. Also this would steal away from the narrative challenge to explicate an inversion of Beauty and the Beast, broadly absent both in real life and pop culture. GRRM set that up and presumably in two POVs to show the difficulty for such a pairing. Brienne denies herself erotic notions, whereas Jaime's view of Brienne gives away his physical interest in her from the very start.

I'm positive we won't see any of them dying for the other, since their mutual function so far is to help each other into self-determined lifes. Jaime's POV starts with his escape, a literal emancipation with a another woman at his side. Brienne's POV starts with a quest for a maid of three-and-ten, which is pretty much Brienne chasing her own tail and not so much something she really does for Jaime or could do for Sansa.

There is so much to say about that pairing, but this is something short I liked to say in response to your post. That surely Jaime and Brienne aren't about finding Sansa. They are each off for their life goals, have TWOW to meet again and bring those goals in correlation and if the gods are good they happily reunite as Goldenhand the Just and the Just Maid in ADOS.

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On 2017. 06. 09. at 5:01 AM, Ser Daegon said:


So when I say that Brienne and Jaimes' story is an opera I mean in the sense of story-type <snip>

Interesting analysis and possible end-game for them. I agree it's very opera-esque. Now I'm trying to decide whether it would be better as a Verdi opera or a Wagner opera. I guess Wagner would allow for a more complicated plot and also some dialogue to make the plot go faster. But I can also imagine some Verdi-like duets between the two of them and also arias (one of them would surely be called the Honor aria)  ... not to mention the choir of Lady Stoneheart's band as they are preparing for the trial. Wow!

I don't want to imagine it as a contemporary opera though... 

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On 6/8/2017 at 10:01 PM, Ser Daegon said:

This possible scenario wraps up the story of Jaime and Brienne since it began in aCoK. That they have made an impact on each others' character is clear. 

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I've been thinking the same for about 95% of your post (clarifying though that Brienne wants to protect someone she loves, not necessarily die in the process (though I think she will)).  The couple differences I would make- I don't think Brienne will kill Lady Stoneheart, I believe GRRM has other plans for her (and maybe Lem too, if, a la RadioWesteros' theory, he's actually Richard Lonmouth (they convinced me!) because he would be one of the last remaining witnesses to pre-story events regarding R+L).  And I don't think they will have the luxury of her dying in his arms, they would have to kill off the entire Brotherhood to have the time for something like that, but it will still be a purposeful sacrifice that will hit us right in the feels regardless.  =P  She will have fought bravely like a true knight and protected one she loves.  And he will be saved so as to be able to stop Aery's 2.0 from taking out King's Landing (maybe this time actually getting credit for it, thereby redeeming his name/legacy), and fulfilling the Valonqar prophesy by going out of this world together, as they came into it.  Most pretty heavily foreshadowed.  George does like for things to come full circle!  =)  I'm dying to get to read it!

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I have my doubts about the proposed scenario.

1. Why did J&B disappeared for weeks as the last book told us? They should have had a quick fight with BwB or be hanged and discovered already. The travel to brotherhood headquarters should be short, they were in the area already. Or am I wrong ? I do not want to study maps on my cellphone.

2. GRRM tends to be more cruel to his readers than opera. Plus he promissed in the interview, that the next book will be very dark, devoid of feel good stuff, because the Winter has come. Brienne saying sweet good bye while dying in Jaime's arms seems too gentle for GRRM. On the other hand, it would be supper horrible if Pod dies in spite of Brienne's intervention - BwB has no decency. Previously we have seen BwB taking ransom for Petyr Frey and killing both the hostage and Merret Frey who brought the money, so I wouldn't be surprised. Additionally, I believe Jaime survives, but he might somehow not get any info on what the hell was Brienne trying to do and why, so he leaves feeling bitter about her and it will not be resolved until the next book. Or never. Also, all that mysteriously long time Jaime and Brienne are missing could be conveniently spent at torturing Jaime by BwB, but I really hope it does not come to that, the lost hand was enough torture fir a life time. That would be too much even for GRRM, I hope.

Please, tell me I am wrong with my dark scenarios !

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The Brienne/Jaime cliffhanger is a favorite.   So many ways it could go.  Let's not lose sight of a most dissatisfied Thoros, too.   He's not a fan of Stoneheart.  Lem seems to have undergone dark personality changes.  I believe Stoneheart & Co were headed toward the Neck from a cave close to to the Inn at the Crossroads.   Jamie left Pennytree with Brienne last we saw them.    Pennytree isn't far from the Inn, but the neck is quite a distance.   They've got to cross the Twins, which would be interesting to read.    This march north and west should take the BWB close to the company escorting Jeyne Westerling and Edmure Tully to the Westerlands, unless there is a way to get to the Neck without going via the Twins?    Now I don't know if Stoneheart's faction of the BWB is just left to its own devices, hanging Freys and exacting personal revenge for Catelyn Tully, or if they are a working part of the larger network.   I suspect the former, but find it most curious that Thoros remains and confides his dissatisfaction to Brienne.  I take it as a clue that Thoros will intervene in whatever fight is coming.   His men need leadership and Thoros just happens to have stumbled upon a truly Just Maid (thanks @foxberlin--perfect name for Brienne), an extraordinarily honorable woman who is extremely well connected to the force causing the most grief in the Riverlands.  I doubt this will be the end of Brienne or Jaime.  They have much oath keeping business to tend to.  Pod and Hyle though....not so sure.    Too many ways Brienne can survive this encounter including but not limited kisses from priests and Jamie's wicked guile.   

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