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The First 13 Lord Commanders Actually Fulfilled Their ULTIMATE DUTIES


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This is something I have just recently discovered on another thread. I'm pretty sure others have reached the same conclusions before, but I would like to add some more solid evidence.

Here is something fundamental about the oaths of the Night's Watch:

1. The shortened oaths are the very core of the Night's Watch.

2. The shortened oaths are very still much against the Others (unless GRRM is twisting words beyond any meaningful discussion).

However, I think the oaths also reveal the reason why the Night's Watch were so unforgiving of the Children (cutting down Weirwoods near the Wall): there was probably some compromise-sacrifice to the Other's involved. It is very interesting what these oaths can mean beside being against the Others.

'the fire that burns against the cold'- The people simply cannot accept compromise-sacrifice, but I must follow the deal for the greater good and withstand the cold hatred of (justifiably) angry people.

'the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers.'  And truly, if these people want justice, they must rise up on their own. I would die a happy man if my horrible duty do lead to some hopeful change and final uprising against the Others.

'I am the shield that guards the realms of men' - But while these people are 'waking up' I must protect their emotions from the horrors of sacrifice. I take all of the blame and hatred if discovered; I suffer silently otherwise.

Now I think I understand why ' Then pass' sound so much like an understanding reproach. The deed is horrendous but it must be done. The Door is probably the closest gate to the nine Weirwood Grove (meeting ground for sacrifice?). And this is why the 'children' (including Hodor) were prevented from going North before the 'seasoned adults' returned/waited to escort (Coldhands; Sam the Slayer).

The 13th Lord Commander just happened to receive a gift from the Others, and this pushes every human beings in the North to the brink of tolerance.

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22 minutes ago, HighAndMightyBrightness said:

This is something I have just recently discovered on another thread. I'm pretty sure others have reached the same conclusions before, but I would like to add some more solid evidence.

Here is something fundamental about the oaths of the Night's Watch:

1. The shortened oaths are the very core of the Night's Watch.

2. The shortened oaths are very still much against the Others (unless GRRM is twisting words beyond any meaningful discussion).

However, I think the oaths also reveal the reason why the Night's Watch were so unforgiving of the Children (cutting down Weirwoods near the Wall): there was probably some compromise-sacrifice to the Other's involved. It is very interesting what these oaths can mean beside being against the Others.

'the fire that burns against the cold'- The people simply cannot accept compromise-sacrifice, but I must follow the deal for the greater good and withstand the cold hatred of (justifiably) angry people.

'the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers.'  And truly, if these people want justice, they must rise up on their own. I would die a happy man if my horrible duty do lead to some hopeful change and final uprising against the Others.

'I am the shield that guards the realms of men' - But while these people are 'waking up' I must protect their emotions from the horrors of sacrifice. I take all of the blame and hatred if discovered; I suffer silently otherwise.

Now I think I understand why ' Then pass' sound so much like an understanding reproach. The deed is horrendous but it must be done. The Door is probably the closest gate to the nine Weirwood Grove (meeting ground for sacrifice?). And this is why the 'children' (including Hodor) were prevented from going North before the 'seasoned adults' returned/waited to escort (Coldhands; Sam the Slayer).

The 13th Lord Commander just happened to receive a gift from the Others, and this pushes every human beings in the North to the brink of tolerance.

Or, the oaths are the oaths of guards and the door is allowing them to go through. No sacrifice to the others needed 

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56 minutes ago, HighAndMightyBrightness said:

@Dorian Martell's son Yes, that is also possible. But this is fiction from a professional author; deep and not-so-obvious meanings should be there at times. ;P

Besides, I'm probably not the first person to think that some sacrifices were involved in the truce.

You are not. but as we have next to zero information about the battle for the dawn, speculation is just that. would you care to talk write about why you think there were sacrifices? What brought you to this conclusion? 

 

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5 minutes ago, HighAndMightyBrightness said:

@Dorian Martell's son Probably their own children! Hence, why Craster - another connection - was so certain he was an honorable man. It would also explain why the Watchmen can't have any children; that rule further provides emotional protection!

So, if the watch is forbidden to have children, how does that lead you to believe that children are somehow sacrificed? 

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@Dorian Martell's son

The oath about having no children was added later after the 13th LC would be my guess. As for the core oaths, the Night's Watch still fulfills its superficial but still important meaning: protect the realm against the Others.

The White Walkers were apparently fine with just the sacrifices from the later wildlings (female Wildlings who slept with the White Walkers to produce children?) up until now.

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4 hours ago, HighAndMightyBrightness said:

@Dorian Martell's son

The oath about having no children was added later after the 13th LC would be my guess. As for the core oaths, the Night's Watch still fulfills its superficial but still important meaning: protect the realm against the Others.

The White Walkers were apparently fine with just the sacrifices from the later wildlings (female Wildlings who slept with the White Walkers to produce children?) up until now.

Is there any  text in the book that influences your guesses? 

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@Dorian Martell's son Dude, you are on a roll with basic questions:P

The records of the first 13 LCs were completely wiped out. If this was to ensure the complete wipe-out of  the 13th LC from history, it seems too severe and contradictory. Is the 1st LC really that similar to the 13th? And why not eliminate the LCs up to the 20th if that is what the recorders really wanted to ensure complete wipe-out?

I think it is most likely that the first 13 LCs did the sacrifices - sacrifices that did not occur afterwards.

 

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5 hours ago, HighAndMightyBrightness said:

@Dorian Martell's son Dude, you are on a roll with basic questions:P

The records of the first 13 LCs were completely wiped out. If this was to ensure the complete wipe-out of  the 13th LC from history, it seems too severe and contradictory. Is the 1st LC really that similar to the 13th? And why not eliminate the LCs up to the 20th if that is what the recorders really wanted to ensure complete wipe-out?

I think it is most likely that the first 13 LCs did the sacrifices - sacrifices that did not occur afterwards.

Well, it was the 13th lord commander that was the whole night's king story.  There was never any mention of destroying the first 13, just the 13th and what he did. Since the earliest records that sam could find were written down long after any of pre-andal events like the night's king, can we say that the ones before 13 were erased? If there was something that the lord commanders 1-12 did, why are they not part of any story? It seems far more plausible that the night's king was the first truly evil LC. The rest have just faded into obscurity.

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On ‎6‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 0:03 AM, Dorian Martell's son said:

Well, it was the 13th lord commander that was the whole night's king story.  There was never any mention of destroying the first 13, just the 13th and what he did. Since the earliest records that sam could find were written down long after any of pre-andal events like the night's king, can we say that the ones before 13 were erased? If there was something that the lord commanders 1-12 did, why are they not part of any story? It seems far more plausible that the night's king was the first truly evil LC. The rest have just faded into obscurity.

Oi, great catch. That was a misconception on my part.

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