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NBA Draft 2017: Sixers, Celtics and Will LaVar Ball Lose His Shit on National Television Edition


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9 hours ago, Jaime L said:

5th best? He was the Warriors 4th best player in 2015. And of course the best player on the Finals in that critical first title. Keep in mind also, he's spent his whole Warriors tenure outside his prime. 

Comparing him to Bruce Bowen is a slap in the face. Igoudala's been a way better offensive player for his career. Bruce Bowen averaged 1 APG for his career. Igoudala is at 5. One was a pure defensive specialist. The other does a little bit of everything to help the Warriors. Look at Iggy's career numbers, they're basically right in line with Ginobili's.

I'll grant you Ginobili was a bit more important to those Spurs titles teams, mostly because the Spurs were so offensively starved and the Warriors are so loaded. It's not a perfect analogue. But just thinking more of what level of player Iggy's been for his career. And if you look at advanced stats like VORP or win shares the two are pretty much right in line. 

Igoudala is a poor a mans Scottie Pippen, in a reserve role. He does a lot of the same things. Looks like Duran will take less than Max to accommodate for Iggie. Iggie isn't going anywhere, and I think it's shows how unselfish KD is the pursuit of a dynasty and to keep this core intact.

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Lots of pre-draft trade speculation. Apparently the Celts passed on a trade for Jimmy Butler for the #3 pick. That seems a bit odd. 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-celtics-turned-down-bulls-trade-offer-of-jimmy-butler-for-no-3-pick-in-draft/

 

And The Hawks deal Dwight Howard to Charlotte for Plumlee, Belenelli and a swap of picks (31 for 41)

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trades-atlanta-hawks-reportedly-send-dwight-howard-to-charlotte-hornets/

 

And lastly the Kings avoid a very Kingslike move in swapping their #5 and #10 picks for the Lakers #2...

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-kings-passed-on-swapping-first-round-draft-picks-with-lakers/

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21 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

Lots of pre-draft trade speculation. Apparently the Celts passed on a trade for Jimmy Butler for the #3 pick. That seems a bit odd. 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-celtics-turned-down-bulls-trade-offer-of-jimmy-butler-for-no-3-pick-in-draft/

I'm glad. It means Ainge is aiming for 3 years down the line, not next year. If he really thinks one of these wing guys is a franchise cornerstone...

I would also love it if Ainge was making a run at Porzingis. Though I have to admit, Evan Turner's Phil Jackson thought experiment is pretty compelling.

 

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1 minute ago, DanteGabriel said:

I'm glad. It means Ainge is aiming for 3 years down the line, not next year. If he really thinks one of these wing guys is a franchise cornerstone...

I would also love it if Ainge was making a run at Porzingis. Though I have to admit, Evan Turner's Phil Jackson thought experiment is pretty compelling.

 I don't know man, that one seems like a no-brainer. Add Butler and potentially Hayward and this team competes with Cleveland for the East, doncha think?

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1 minute ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

 I don't know man, that one seems like a no-brainer. Add Butler and potentially Hayward and this team competes with Cleveland for the East, doncha think?

And loses to the Warriors in the Finals? There's not enough defense or rebounding there.

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9 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said:

And loses to the Warriors in the Finals? There's not enough defense or rebounding there.

Yeah but you have to take a shot at some point. I guess waiting for the Warriors to fade isn't totally invalid, but it's going to be a couple of seasons before that window closes.

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51 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

Technically he didn't quit.  His contract was up at the end of the month and he and the team couldn't work out an extension.  He and Dan Gilbert supposedly were at odds over what direction to go with the team this summer, and they couldn't come to an agreement.

Billups is likely to be the new President of Basketball Ops in Cleveland.  Not sure who will take Griffin's spot as the GM.  It honestly probably doesn't matter all that much, as Gilbert was making all the final decisions anyway.  Not my favorite set-up, and I am not the biggest fan of Gilbert as an owner (although no one can call him cheap, which is nice), but I really don't see much changing over this.  

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9 hours ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

Yeah but you have to take a shot at some point. I guess waiting for the Warriors to fade isn't totally invalid, but it's going to be a couple of seasons before that window closes.

Yeah, so target 2-3 years down the road. Hell, that's probably about when Jaylen Brown and whoever they draft this year will start to become real players.

 

7 hours ago, briantw said:

Not my favorite set-up, and I am not the biggest fan of Gilbert as an owner (although no one can call him cheap, which is nice), but I really don't see much changing over this.  

From the outside, trying to read the tea leaves, it seems to me that this makes it more likely LeBron leaves in a year.

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9 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said:

From the outside, trying to read the tea leaves, it seems to me that this makes it more likely LeBron leaves in a year.

Probably. It will be interesting to learn who wanted to win now and who wanted to plan for the long term in the Griffen/Gilbert split. 

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6 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Probably. It will be interesting to learn who wanted to win now and who wanted to plan for the long term in the Griffen/Gilbert split. 

The scuttlebutt I read said that Griffin was in the middle of negotiations for Jimmy Butler when he got the news that he wasn't coming back. The fact that LBJ didn't know this was coming ought to chill the hearts of Cavs fans who want to keep their guy local.

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12 hours ago, briantw said:

Billups is likely to be the new President of Basketball Ops in Cleveland.  Not sure who will take Griffin's spot as the GM.  It honestly probably doesn't matter all that much, as Gilbert was making all the final decisions anyway.  Not my favorite set-up, and I am not the biggest fan of Gilbert as an owner (although no one can call him cheap, which is nice), but I really don't see much changing over this.  

Can't see how you can say this honestly doesn't matter. Even if Gilbert is making the final decision, the GM is the guy who's putting those options in front of him. If he's given consistently good options (which it seems Griffen was providing) then that's where the true credit goes. 

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4 hours ago, DanteGabriel said:

From the outside, trying to read the tea leaves, it seems to me that this makes it more likely LeBron leaves in a year.

Yeah, Lebron sounded pissed about the firing. And it seemed to have cooled Jimmy Butler's interest in Cleveland as things seem less settled now. 

That said, are the Lakers really that compelling? Even if they hit a grandslam and get Lebron and Paul George next offseason, it's (probably) Ball, Clarkson, George, Lebron and Ingram as a starting 5. I'd rather have Kyrie/Thompson over Ball/Ingram for Lebron's title window over the next 3 or so years.

The only way that changes is if Ball and Ingram show some massive potential this year. I mean if Kyrie were terrible, there's no way Lebron would've returned to Cleveland to begin with. Lakers have everything riding on the young guys looking amazing. Not just DeAngelo Russell so-so but star-in-waiting. 

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 The Lakers are always compelling to these top tier guys who grew up idolizing Magic and probably Kobe to a lesser degree. And the franchise just has that cache and legacy. I think now that Jerry Buss has passed, that all may just be a thing of the past, but that franchise still steams on fueled by the fumes of a once great past. I hope LeBron does choose to bail on Cleveland for LA, and then fails to get another ring. 

 As far as I'm concerned, The Lakers are the Yankees of the NBA. I love to see them flail.

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7 hours ago, DanteGabriel said:

The fact that LBJ didn't know this was coming ought to chill the hearts of Cavs fans who want to keep their guy local.

If you think LeBron wasn't totally aware of this, you are incredibly, incredibly naive.  LeBron will pretend he didn't know anything, kind of like he pretended he didn't know anything about the Blatt firing even though he was one of the main guys who wanted Blatt gone.  He knew about Blatt and he absolutely knew the situation with Griffin.  

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Also, if you guys want to know why Butler changed his tune, it was entirely about money.  If he makes one more All-NBA team, he's eligible for a Designated Player Exception from Chicago, which would allow him to sign something like a six-year, 240 million dollar contract.  If he's traded to the Cavs, he is no longer eligible for that extension, as it only applies to guys playing for their original team or guys traded to their current team during their rookie contract.

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