Any first hand accounts of professors indoctrinating students against conservatives?

[Impmk2]

One of the guys teaching my Philosophy class was 'one of those' atheists, who put me off a bit by constantly using bible passages for his examples of logical fallacies (and I'm not at all religious myself). On the plus side it clued me in to how my own non-belief in God might come across badly to others if I got preachy about it.

On the other hand one of my microbiology lecturers ranted and raved about kids these days and socialists any opportunity he got.

[maarsen]

1 hour ago, Squab said:

I found a book not long after I left university showing students how to take advantage of liberal bias in university staff when writing essays and in tests. I cant find it now though. It was called "Little black book of essay writing" or something like that.

Really? I had a gift for essays and found the best way  to impress the profs was not to write to their biases,  if any, but to challenge what they spoke about in class.

[Stubby]

9 minutes ago, maarsen said:

Really? I had a gift for essays and found the best way  to impress the profs was not to write to their biases,  if any, but to challenge what they spoke about in class.

The same lecturer I referred to above was a staunch opponent of the modern method of interpreting the Australian Constitution.  If a student wrote a well reasoned argument opposing his view they got a bare pass.  Anyone who cited his articles (mostly published on Creationist websites) got a higher grade.  He even cited his own work in his lectures.

[maarsen]

6 minutes ago, Stubby said:

The same lecturer I referred to above was a staunch opponent of the modern method of interpreting the Australian Constitution.  If a student wrote a well reasoned argument opposing his view they got a bare pass.  Anyone who cited his articles (mostly published on Creationist websites) got a higher grade.  He even cited his own work in his lectures.

Could be I was a better writer than I thought or I was much more charming than I thought. 

[zelticgar]

I took a Human Sexuality class as an elective to cover a pre requisite in college (early 90's). I took it strictly to meet girls and I figured it would be a nice ice breaker if I could actually get one to speak with me.  If I got really lucky I might get on a group project with two or three girls and then who the hell knows what would happen...

First day of class I walk into a room that was about 50/50 male female. The teacher was what I would term an angry feminist who had little tolerance for anyone who was not taking the subject seriously. She was probably the closest I saw in college to indoctrination but most of the stuff was pretty tame. One of my fraternity brothers was in the class with me and he always got straight A's and he did not do very well in the class. We all felt pretty sure she was grading the men differently but there was little we could do about it. Most of my other professors were pretty neutral politically but to be fair, that stuff was not on my radar when I was that age. Too busy drinking and unsuccessfully chasing girls.  

 

 

 

 

[Myshkin]

30 minutes ago, zelticgar said:

I took a Human Sexuality class as an elective to cover a pre requisite in college (early 90's). I took it strictly to meet girls and I figured it would be a nice ice breaker if I could actually get one to speak with me.  If I got really lucky I might get on a group project with two or three girls and then who the hell knows what would happen...

First day of class I walk into a room that was about 50/50 male female. The teacher was what I would term an angry feminist who had little tolerance for anyone who was not taking the subject seriously. She was probably the closest I saw in college to indoctrination but most of the stuff was pretty tame. One of my fraternity brothers was in the class with me and he always got straight A's and he did not do very well in the class. We all felt pretty sure she was grading the men differently but there was little we could do about it. Most of my other professors were pretty neutral politically but to be fair, that stuff was not on my radar when I was that age. Too busy drinking and unsuccessfully chasing girls.  

 

 

 

 

Wait, you telling me this fucking feminazi gave your frat bro a poor grade just because he had zero interest in taking the subject seriously and only signed up for her class in the first place because he thought it would be a great opportunity to try to pick up some chicks? What a bitch.

[zelticgar]

3 minutes ago, Myshkin said:

Wait, you telling me this fucking feminazi gave your frat bro a poor grade just because he had zero interest in taking the subject seriously and only signed up for her class in the first place because he thought it would be a great opportunity to try to pick up some chicks? What a bitch.

And neither of us got laid either. It pretty much sucked. 

[Dr. Pepper]

23 minutes ago, zelticgar said:

And neither of us got laid either. It pretty much sucked. 

It's hard to imagine why you'd get poor grades in a Human Sexuality course.  

[zelticgar]

13 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

It's hard to imagine why you'd get poor grades in a Human Sexuality course.  

It was a total disaster.  Should have just taken an Intro to Sociology class and moved on with life. Shockingly, even now I don't have a very good understanding of human sexuality. 

[Seli]

2 hours ago, chuck norris 42 said:

Exactly what attitudes do you think the left leaning people on the board have a problem with. 

For example  If I made a post about the benefits of small  government I don't think anyone would casually dismiss me as a fool. 

Oh, I'd pigeonhole you for a thread like that for sure. Even if I try to give people some benefit of doubt.

 

[mcbigski]

I had one professor briefly that my roommate had a previous semester.  She was blatantly political.  It was a course on public speaking and according to him she had told another student that depsite how technically proficient his presentation was she couldnt give him an A grade because he took an anti choice viewpoint on abortion.

I decided to drop the class since everything I saw first hand seemed entirely in line with that sort of bias.  When I told my advisor I wanted out because I was worried I might not be treated fairly there was zero attempt to dissuade me, which I though was telling.

[Lily Valley]

I do it all the time.

[Stubby]

29 minutes ago, Lily Valley said:

I do it all the time.

[Lily Valley]

On 6/21/2017 at 10:18 PM, Myshkin said:

When I expressed the idea that the means of production should be privatized professor Trotsky kicked me out of his class. Does that count?

I would have a better livlihood if I just collected chickens at the door.  A girl can eat and trade chickens.

19 hours ago, Lany Freelove Cassandra said:

This depends on where you live.  I happen to live in a rural area that went 70% for Trump, and according to my son, at least 70% of the kids in his high school are Trump supporters.  Kids often start off with views similar to how they were raised, and it's exposure to the wider world when they start thinking on their own and changing

I remember coming home from kindergarten during the Reagan election.  The kindergarten results were similar to the gen pub.  My parents were sad, but unsurprised.  The kids said he was "handsome".  So did the country.

 

19 hours ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

Generally that is because most people here are left leaning and seem unaware that there is an issue. For me the right's attitudes are obvious, and have been for years. Its hardly worth saying ' Fox News is worthless' because that is there for everyone to see. 
 

Believe it or not, I, like most southerners, have very mixed feelings to this day about the war.  From here, the meanness of the federal tithe for the lack of returns has been pretty horrific.  Nevermind the grudges people have had about carpetbagging since the term was coined in New Orleans.  Thing is, this current conversation is being held by the people who are still most harmed by our history.  People who have MORE history and MORE life at stake than I do.  For me, it's just STFU time.

[Maithanet]

In my college it was pretty obvious that the econ department was mostly conservatives and the poly sci department was mostly liberal.  Which made for some interesting differences in assumptions.  Both sides of the aisle did a generally good job of challenging people without pushing their views. 

There was one poly sci teacher that was just terrible and everybody knew you could get her all riled up with statements like "some people need an SUV".  But she was pretty universally considered a joke by liberals and conservatives alike.  People mostly just took her classes because they were an easy A. 

[Lightning Lord]

13 hours ago, Stubby said:

The same lecturer I referred to above was a staunch opponent of the modern method of interpreting the Australian Constitution.  If a student wrote a well reasoned argument opposing his view they got a bare pass.  Anyone who cited his articles (mostly published on Creationist websites) got a higher grade.  He even cited his own work in his lectures.

I had a history prof that offered his book as one we could do for an oral review/critique.  I went for it and challenged some of the things he had written.  He didn't mind, even agreed with some of what I'd said (though not all).

All in all, most professors I had seemed most interested in helping students learn the content.  I just didn't see the famed "liberal bias" that I keep hearing about.  I got plenty of that bias from other students, though

[Maithanet]

9 minutes ago, Lightning Lord said:

All in all, most professors I had seemed most interested in helping students learn the content.  I just didn't see the famed "liberal bias" that I keep hearing about.  I got plenty of that bias from other students, though

Yeah, due to the student makeup, the discussions can have a strong liberal bias.  But I had several professors who would play Devils advocate and say "well, people in the Bush administration say that we need to do this because..." and they could do a credible job of arguing the other side. 

Which is good because you don't learn much if everybody is just agreeing with each other. 

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

1 hour ago, Lightning Lord said:

I had a history prof that offered his book as one we could do for an oral review/critique.  I went for it and challenged some of the things he had written.  He didn't mind, even agreed with some of what I'd said (though not all).

All in all, most professors I had seemed most interested in helping students learn the content.  I just didn't see the famed "liberal bias" that I keep hearing about.  I got plenty of that bias from other students, though

I don't see it as a bias, except that it appears to me, that higher education and appeals to people who tend to like a more liberal point of view.  So its more of a selection bias in that there are more liberals to hear from in that context.  Which makes sense as it appears those of a more conservative mindset tend to place higher emphasis upon the material that is more difficult to achieve in that context.

[Castellan]

Professors do not generally attempt to indoctrinate people. I think we should reserve' indoctrinate' for talking about reeducation camps etcr They generally do have views and communicate them, I think that's their prerogative as thinkers, conservative or liberal.

However, when it comes to plain irrationality, such as creationism, where, in the context of the rational thought that universities should be teaching, my friend who gave their student zero for their attempt to mount a creationist argument against geological evidence of the earth's age, and evolution (it was an archaeology course) had the right idea. The argument holds no water.

I know someone else who gave a student zero for an economics short essay, and was really pressured to give them SOMETHING to encourage them ('zero' is very rarely done) but he argued that any good bits in it were not worth anything as they were accompanied by bad bits that showed they hadn't comprehended the good bits at all but just included them in an arbitrary fashion. I thought that was pretty funny. The marker had gone through accelerated learning streams and had never encountered dumb people I suppose, and gave no mercy.

[Larry of the Lawn]

I don't think this is even a conversation we'd be having except that under the modern tents of Liberal and Conservative, one party actively courts ignorance, both willful and otherwise, of science and fact, at an order of magnitude more than their opposing political body does.  The Right has been an enemy of science, the environment, and public health for decades so it's hardly a shocker that most people with a fraction of a post-high school education are going to have a liberal or progressive bias.