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This is for fun I know it wouldnt actually happen because the current Tyrells are closely related and on very good terms or so it would appear anyways.

 

The setting of this challenge takes place right after Mace Tyrell declares for Renly you decide this is a perfect moment to take Highgarden from the lowly stewards who are the Tyrells mostly because you need control of the Reach because of what you and your daughter are working on for the last decade locked in the Hightower, in order for your plan to succeed you need ALL of the Reachs army at your command and magical book the Gardeners have kept in HG for hundreds of years......

Why not ask the Tyrells for the book?? Because if the book was read the Tyrells would know about the dark magic Leyton intends to release upon Westeros and never come up off it. 

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10 hours ago, Stormking902 said:

 

1 hour ago, Trigger Warning said:

A time when most of the fractious Reach has just united behind Renly would probably be the worst time to start a rebellion. 

The Reach is far from united. What Renly says he had vs what we see are too different things. That being said yes it would be a bad time at that moment.

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You want to take on highgarden after they have called their banners?

The first thing generals do is crush rebellions in their own region.

Would be better to strike when they have taken KL, send word to Dorne and Robb that you will strike CR next, you should take highgarden with ease, Dorne and the north may or may not join you, however no matter how you play it you will never get control of the entire Reach army as half of it will be destroyed in the civil war you want to start.

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21 minutes ago, Stormking902 said:

Read to acheive....... 

House Hightower is a rich family who could marry within any family they wanted. Instead Leyton allows his son to marry a Rowan. He lets his daughter marry Mace and he even marries his youngest daughter to a frigging Mormont. The only powerful house they married into (apart from the Tyrells) are the Redwynes which happen to be a house the Tyrells are also interlinked to through his mother Olenna. These are not the plans of a house which is preparing itself to usurp anything.

If House Hightower wanted power then they would have acted way differently. Lynesse Hightower would be married of to Tyrion Lannister. That will put Tywin in their debt as Tyrion isn't exactly marriage material. Meanwhile Leyton would marry the rest to Stannis (surely Leyton's daughter is worth more then some Florent knight's daughter), Randyll Tarly and possibly Hoster Tully whose already got a son but you know, accidents do happen every now and then so it might be a good idea to have a second son just in case. When Robert's rebellion start he should sent to Mace a token army to support him, however send another letter to Tywin pledging the hightower full support. After the battle of the trident Leyton should march alongside Tywin to KL. The Lannisters always pay their debts and they will pressure Robert to reward the Hightowers by giving them the Reach. Lets face it, its within Lannister interest to give power to a friendly and loyal neighbour who had joined houses with them. 

 

 

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On 6/28/2017 at 0:02 PM, devilish said:

House Hightower is a rich family who could marry within any family they wanted. Instead Leyton allows his son to marry a Rowan. He lets his daughter marry Mace and he even marries his youngest daughter to a frigging Mormont. The only powerful house they married into (apart from the Tyrells) are the Redwynes which happen to be a house the Tyrells are also interlinked to through his mother Olenna. These are not the plans of a house which is preparing itself to usurp anything.

If House Hightower wanted power then they would have acted way differently. Lynesse Hightower would be married of to Tyrion Lannister. That will put Tywin in their debt as Tyrion isn't exactly marriage material. Meanwhile Leyton would marry the rest to Stannis (surely Leyton's daughter is worth more then some Florent knight's daughter), Randyll Tarly and possibly Hoster Tully whose already got a son but you know, accidents do happen every now and then so it might be a good idea to have a second son just in case. When Robert's rebellion start he should sent to Mace a token army to support him, however send another letter to Tywin pledging the hightower full support. After the battle of the trident Leyton should march alongside Tywin to KL. The Lannisters always pay their debts and they will pressure Robert to reward the Hightowers by giving them the Reach. Lets face it, its within Lannister interest to give power to a friendly and loyal neighbour who had joined houses with them.

Except inter-Kingdom marriages seem to be comparatively rare.  you're also misunderstanding the nature of feudal politics.  If House Hightower wants power, they want to marry into their liege's family... which they did.  The Rowans and Florents are extremely prominent, powerful Reach families.

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48 minutes ago, cpg2016 said:

Except inter-Kingdom marriages seem to be comparatively rare.  you're also misunderstanding the nature of feudal politics.  If House Hightower wants power, they want to marry into their liege's family... which they did.  The Rowans and Florents are extremely prominent, powerful Reach families.

A marriage between Lannisters and Hightower is unlikely, there again Tyrion is hardly marriage material. The marriage is also of mutual benefit and so is the 'rebellion'. Tywin gets rid of Tyrion's problem by marrying him within a good family. If the Hightowers rebel then it would be within the Lannisters benefit to make sure they win as that will grant them with a very grateful ally as neighbour. The Hightowers, on the other hand, will get access to a powerful ally whose army can go toe to toe against the Reach and who got influence in court. Same with Stannis ie a good general, the king brother and at one time heir. Its certainly more worth marrying them to these guys then to Fossoways and Mormonts.

The rest I agree. Marriage with Tarlys, Redywnes and Rowans will help to win and to consolidate power

 

 

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5 minutes ago, devilish said:

A marriage between Lannisters and Hightower is unlikely, there again Tyrion is hardly marriage material. The marriage is also of mutual benefit and so is the 'rebellion'. Tywin gets rid of Tyrion's problem by marrying him within a good family. 

Assuming the Hightowers are willing.  The Martells weren't, and they're not really much more influential than the Hightowers.  Someone marrying Tyrion is an insult to that House; they only pull it off with Sansa because she's a captive and has no choice in the matter.

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ill get access to a powerful ally whose army can go toe to toe against the Reach 

It is extraordinarily debatable whether this is true.  The Reach fields about 80,000 men, as a conservative guess.  Renly claims to have 100,000 foot plus all the lords and knights.  Maybe that's 120,000 men.  He's got the Stormlords on board too.  So between them we're talking 120,000 men, maybe a little less if we think Renly is boasting.  The Westerlands can raise about 40-45,000 men.  Tywin has 20,000 at the Fords, Jaime about 12,000 at the Battle of the Camps, and a few thousand scattered between Clegane and the men at the Whispering Wood.  And at Oxcross, Stafford Lannister has his host of 10,000 wiped out, but those include survivors from some of the previous battles.  So on the very conservative end 40,000, on the upper end 45,000, MAYBE 50,000 (since we know that Staffords host was the dregs of the dregs).  The Tyrells bring up 60-80,000 men, conservatively without breaking a sweat.  We know there are more, in fact, because Willas and Garlan are busy raising them to fight off the ironborn.  Presumably of an equally bad quality to the men under Stafford Lannister's command, but there it is.

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30 minutes ago, cpg2016 said:

Assuming the Hightowers are willing.  The Martells weren't, and they're not really much more influential than the Hightowers.  Someone marrying Tyrion is an insult to that House; they only pull it off with Sansa because she's a captive and has no choice in the matter.

It is extraordinarily debatable whether this is true.  The Reach fields about 80,000 men, as a conservative guess.  Renly claims to have 100,000 foot plus all the lords and knights.  Maybe that's 120,000 men.  He's got the Stormlords on board too.  So between them we're talking 120,000 men, maybe a little less if we think Renly is boasting.  The Westerlands can raise about 40-45,000 men.  Tywin has 20,000 at the Fords, Jaime about 12,000 at the Battle of the Camps, and a few thousand scattered between Clegane and the men at the Whispering Wood.  And at Oxcross, Stafford Lannister has his host of 10,000 wiped out, but those include survivors from some of the previous battles.  So on the very conservative end 40,000, on the upper end 45,000, MAYBE 50,000 (since we know that Staffords host was the dregs of the dregs).  The Tyrells bring up 60-80,000 men, conservatively without breaking a sweat.  We know there are more, in fact, because Willas and Garlan are busy raising them to fight off the ironborn.  Presumably of an equally bad quality to the men under Stafford Lannister's command, but there it is.

a- We're assuming that Leyton is a power hungry and blood tasty Lord who want to strip the title from his Lord. A Lord btw who wants to marry his daughter and wish to make him grandfather of one of the most powerful men in Westeros. Marrying a daughter to an extremely rich and powerful imp is nothing compared to that

b- We're also assuming that Leyton can convince the Rowans, the Redywnes, the Florents and the Tarlys to join the quest. Mace's army will be way smaller than that and will find itself fending a foreign force while having to tackle a civil war at the same time

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On 6/27/2017 at 11:22 AM, Stormking902 said:

This is for fun I know it wouldnt actually happen because the current Tyrells are closely related and on very good terms or so it would appear anyways.

 

The setting of this challenge takes place right after Mace Tyrell declares for Renly you decide this is a perfect moment to take Highgarden from the lowly stewards who are the Tyrells mostly because you need control of the Reach because of what you and your daughter are working on for the last decade locked in the Hightower, in order for your plan to succeed you need ALL of the Reachs army at your command and magical book the Gardeners have kept in HG for hundreds of years......

Why not ask the Tyrells for the book?? Because if the book was read the Tyrells would know about the dark magic Leyton intends to release upon Westeros and never come up off it. 

Hire a faceless man to kill the lord paramount and family. Show up after with an army to maintain "stability" than never leave. Boom! Done and almost no deaths 

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