Newstar Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 40 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said: They did name Jon king, but what'll happen if/when they find out that their king is a Targaryen bastard? Northerners won't be pleased when they find that they've been ruled by a mummer's wolf. They'll get over it in a hurry when the WWs invade and Jon's leadership is the only thing standing between them and annihilation. Quote Can they give the Stark name to lesser nobles? It seems dodgy, considering that Catelyn, Lysa and Olenna, to give examples, didn't keep their maiden names when they married. GRRM weighs in: Quote Maege Mormont is called Mormont because no one knows her husband's name, or even if she has one. There is all the talk that she beds with a bear. She prefers to keep her own counsel. Most of the ladies of Westeros do change their names when they wed, although usage varies. If the wife's family is significantly higher born than the husband's, she may use his name little, if at all. If Sansa and Arya marry nobodies--like, say, Sandor Clegane or Gendry Waters--they would keep their names, and their kids would have the Stark name, just like Maege Mormont's kids. Quote How do you know that Maege Mormont bore several bastards? Nobody knows whether Maege even has a husband. Her children bear the Mormont name in any event. There's also precedent in Stark history, according to the story of Bael the Bard. Supposedly, at one time there was only one surviving Stark daughter who was impregnated by Bael and gave birth to his bastard, to whom she gave the name Stark and who continued the legitimate Stark line. Also, to bring this back to the original of Bran being unable to continue the Stark line, Jon can't continue the Stark line, either. He's a Targaryen bastard, not a Stark bastard, and if legitimized, he'd be a legit Targ, not a legit Stark, and any children he would have would be Targs. You also pointed out that Dany will be unable to continue the Targ line (as an argument for Jon/Sansa), which suggests that you cede the point that Jon would be continuing the Targ line and not the Stark line if legitimized. TLDR: Sansa and Arya can continue the Stark line as long as they marry someone of lesser status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 11 hours ago, Angel Eyes said: They did name Jon king, but what'll happen if/when they find out that their king is a Targaryen bastard? Northerners won't be pleased when they find that they've been ruled by a mummer's wolf. Can they give the Stark name to lesser nobles? It seems dodgy, considering that Catelyn, Lysa and Olenna, to give examples, didn't keep their maiden names when they married. How do you know that Maege Mormont bore several bastards? You think there will be time for this? They have The White Walkers invasion on their doorsteps and after the war the North will be so devastated because as we saw in HOTU scene in S02E10 that The White Walkers and Winter will make it to King's Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Baratheon's hammer Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 Well, it seems Jon prefers blondes now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I'm surprised. I thought he liked girls who were kissed by fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysander Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said: I'm surprised. I thought he liked girls who were kissed by fire. Ygritte's status as "kissed by fire" is peanuts compared to Dany's. In any case, Jon seems to rate blonde Val much higher than Ygritte in the looks department. Honestly, looking at the direction the show is going in, regal, blonde Val is looking more and more like a stepping stone in between Ygritte and Dany for Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lysander said: Ygritte's status as "kissed by fire" is peanuts compared to Dany's. In any case, Jon seems to rate blonde Val much higher than Ygritte in the looks department. Honestly, looking at the direction the show is going in, regal, blonde Val is looking more and more like a stepping stone in between Ygritte and Dany for Jon. Depends on what you want as far as looks are concerned. And Val hasn't appeared on the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 You guys really like squashing my hopes, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysander Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said: Depends on what you want as far as looks are concerned. And Val hasn't appeared on the show. Val hasn't appeared on the show, yes, which is a pretty sure sign her relationship with Jon isn't going to be a crucial one. Plenty of book readers ship them, but Val is so obviously an (relatively) unimportant character that I was never too jazzed about the prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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