TMIFairy Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Are there any theories on why might Roose had sent his son to the Vale to be raised with the Redforts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goomba Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Probably because Redfort rhymes with Dreadfort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMIFairy Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Ravens Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Because of examples like Theon's we tend to think of sons being fostered to other powerful houses as if they are hostages held by their enemies as punishment to ensure good behavior by their offending parents. But fosterage is more typically arranged between allies as a form of education and was common during the middle ages in our own medieval times as well. A son would travel to an influential house and serve as a page or squire as they learned about combat and warfare but also the practicalities of running a large household and the lands it controls. Why was he fostered to House Redfort? Probably because the Redforts and the Boltons have similar standings in their regions. Ned and Robert both have a Lord Paramount for a father so it makes sense for them to foster with Jon Arryn who is also a Lord Paramount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Because it's really f*cking common for a son to be sent to a friend or ally to be a squire. Let's do a quick list from memory in a minute: Ned, Robert, LF, Jaime, Kevan, Quentyn, Brandon, Addam Marbrand, Harry the Heir, the Walders, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMIFairy Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share Posted July 24, 2017 I fucking well know that it is common. But why the Vale and not some fucking Northern House? I don't see any sort of fucking gain - for Bolton here. White Ravens: I can understand the "logic" of "powqerful Norh House" send s a boy to "powerful Vale House". But I don't see the benefits to neither side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graydon Hicks Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 and it helps to foster outside of the home region to encourage relationships outside the home territories, for everything from promoting trading favorabilities, to bringing in new blood to the family by finding a potential wife from another region, to culturing friendships and alliances in case war throws men of different house into working together. why the redforts? well the redforts are a first men family, so maybe roose wanted his son to be fostered with someone who would understand domeric's cultural upbringing and religious background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceHenryris Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 I think it had something of "keeping up with the joneses(Starks) idea. Rickard sent Ned to the Vale, so Roose did the same. Otherwise, I think Graydon explained it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 On 7/23/2017 at 6:59 PM, TMIFairy said: Are there any theories on why might Roose had sent his son to the Vale to be raised with the Redforts? To score a political marriage I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beautiful Bloody Sword Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 On July 23, 2017 at 7:12 PM, goomba said: Probably because Redfort rhymes with Dreadfort You beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 22 hours ago, TMIFairy said: I fucking well know that it is common. But why the Vale and not some fucking Northern House? I don't see any sort of fucking gain - for Bolton here. White Ravens: I can understand the "logic" of "powqerful Norh House" send s a boy to "powerful Vale House". But I don't see the benefits to neither side Chicken see, Chicken do? Stark -> Arryn, Bolton -> Redfort Why do people learn a second language or college students study abroad? Why does the any country have diplomatic relations with a similarly powerful country? Bilateral relations are terrible! Bu seriously, why bother having friends right? The king and country will love you if you never leave your keep and no one knows who are you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graydon Hicks Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 19 hours ago, PrinceHenryris said: I think it had something of "keeping up with the joneses(Starks) idea. Rickard sent Ned to the Vale, so Roose did the same. Otherwise, I think Graydon explained it well. thank you. that was general reason behind fostering to begin with. so i tried to apply to why roose would send domeric to the vale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 On 7/23/2017 at 6:59 PM, TMIFairy said: Are there any theories on why might Roose had sent his son to the Vale to be raised with the Redforts? The North and Vale had close ties at the time, and the Lord of the Vale was Hand of the King. In ASOS, Sansa identifies the Redforts as part of a pro-Robb faction of Vale lords. The senior branch of House Royce, in other words Yohn Royce, is said to have been close to open revolt over Lysa's failure to aid Robb in his wars. The Waynwoods, Redforts, Belmores, and Templetons are all said to support them in that. We know from Catelyn and TWOIAF that Lord Rickard Stark's aunt Jocelyn married a lesser branch Royce, and that their three daughters married a Waynwood, a Corbray, and likely a Templeton, whose children no doubt married with and into other Vale houses. Catelyn brought up these Waynwood, Corbray, and Templeton descendants of a Stark when suggesting heirs to Robb. Roose would have been aware of how thin the male Stark line was with Edwyle and Rickard being only sons, Brandon being killed without issue, and Benjen joining the NW. If Catelyn was aware of the Starks' next closest kin in the Vale you can be sure Roose was. Perhaps he had an eye toward marrying Domeric to a daughter of one of those lines descended from Jocelyn Stark, and fostering him with the Redforts gave him an in to those circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMIFairy Posted July 25, 2017 Author Share Posted July 25, 2017 23 minutes ago, Bael's Bastard said: Perhaps he had an eye toward marrying Domeric to a daughter of one of those lines descended from Jocelyn Stark, and fostering him with the Redforts gave him an in to those circles. Very interesting, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourjapes Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 In addition to all the reasons listed above, especially that last one... Roose's mother or grandmother might have been a Redfort, or his first wife, or the Redforts and Boltons could have some ancient history (the similarity in their castles could be more than coincidence). The Boltons were the "Red Kings" after all. Or maybe he just happened to meet Lord Redfort at some point and they hit it off? Like with a lot of other questions that get raised about Domeric or the Boltons... we just don't know. There is not much information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 To have an heir worthy of a Stark lady . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMIFairy Posted July 26, 2017 Author Share Posted July 26, 2017 22 hours ago, Sourjapes said: Roose's mother or grandmother might have been a Redfort, or his first wife, or the Redforts and Boltons could have some ancient history (the similarity in their castles could be more than coincidence). The Boltons were the "Red Kings" after all. Or maybe he just happened to meet Lord Redfort at some point and they hit it off? Very good suggestions IMO. 10 minutes ago, BRANDON GREYSTARK said: To have an heir worthy of a Stark lady . IMO from a Bolton's point of view a Bolton is worthy of a Stark lady by the fact of being a Bolton. They had been the Red Kings and had history been a little bit different it would be the Starks bending the knee to them. Learning fancy bent-knee running about behaviour in the South adds nothing to their worthiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GyantSpyder Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Roose had to have been aware of Rickard Stark's Southron Ambitions. He would want to keep pace to stay competitive. And that turns out to be exactly what he did, all the way to becoming Warden of the North for the Lannisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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