[Spoilers] Rant and Rave with Impunity

[Stormking902]

I dont think the Queen of Thorns advice to Dany was to help her in any way shape or form, I believe she is so grief struck she just wants to watch the world burn. Seeing Cersie burn first would be preferable tho lol. 

[Yoren Luck]

4 hours ago, Zumbs said:

I think that there is a much simpler and better argument: The Unsullied cannot take Kings Landing on their own (unless there is an uprising against the wildfire queen in the city, but it does not appear so). If the Dothraki goes with them, they can take Kings Landing, but the Dothraki will pillage and burn it to the ground.

From a purely military point of view that might not be a bad move, shock and aweing Westeros to its knees, but it is an extremely ruthless move as well. One that is certain to cause widespread resentment.

Not saying I disagree with this, but it begs the question...why bring them to Westeros at all?  If the understanding is that they can't be controlled and will rape and pillage everywhere they go, and Dany is trying to be the merciful and limit civilian casualties etc etc, then they really don't serve a purpose aside from being front line fodder in a large scale battle on a formal battlefield.  Dany is basically holding them in reserve at this point (not involved in Kings Landing or Casterly Rock campaigns at the moment) so she can throw them to the wolves against a standing army.

Neither usage makes sense to me and the entire Dothraki storyline seems like a plot device to get a large, mobile fighting force to Westeros for whatever end game battle against the Night King's undead army, because we just spent several seasons decimating every other army in Westeros..

[Stark_in_Winterfell]

On 7/25/2017 at 2:50 AM, snow is the man said:

a while yet? She gonna die?

I don't know.  lol. She is a primary character. She is central to the rising action. She is going to be part of the conclusion and possibly alive in the end. you are just going to have to endure her for a while yet.

[RetconKillah]

Everything has pretty much been said at this point but I need to reiterate how bad Emilia Clarke's acting is. It seems like a lot of the cast have just given up at this point but some are able to mask it a lot better than others (Lena Headey for example). However, to be fair, it may be the writing and some are just talented enough to still give a suspension of disbelief worthy performance.

I had to skip the sex scenes this week, if I want porn I have teh interwebs at my fingertips. Let's just hope they don't get kinkier as the weeks go on (Grey Worm do not suggest you use your spear next time).

I'm just waiting for Tyrion to jump a shark at Dragonstone as a final signifier that d&d have been messing with us all along.

But yes, I just wish some basic logic would return instead of all this pandering to the millennial masses that seems to happen over and over again. As someone said before the show used to be a lot more subtle instead of the sex and violence that repeats itself weekly.

However bitching about the show is a lot more fun than watching it so I'm thankful for that at least

[KarlVyt]

Sam looking like a psycho cutting Jorah's greyscale, Littlefinger loosing the last vestiges of his brain, Missandei and Grey worm cunnilingus..........and the rubbish dumb down dialogue .Good God without George holding their hands D&D can only write garbage.

I once laughed at the idea that GOT episodes should be just half an hour. But considering the ridiculous filler in this episode which shows that the writers have no effing clue what they are doing and are just stalling for time, that would strangely make the most sense.

 

[Rockroi]

Oh, and its fucking stupid that the Lannister Master-Plan for killing Dragons is "Hit it with a really large cross-bow."  

You know they fly, right?  And shoot fire?  Try hitting a moving, flying, fire-breathing target sometimes.  Its kinda hard. 

[LokisRaider]

On Invalid Date at 8:03 PM, Edward Teach said:

Why didn't Olenna summon Randyl to come to her aid when she rose in rebellion? When a liege lord does that, he calls the lords sworn to his house to fight for him. Yet she, for some reason, decided to keep her most loyal lord (who happens to be Westeros' greatest military commander) out of this and instead just left her home and her remaining soldiers under the command of... who exactly? Makes no sense.

Well in all fairness if she doe not want to listen to these clever men because that would get her killed... for reasons, or whatever crap her pointless speech was about.

[Bear42]

53 minutes ago, LokisRaider said:

Well in all fairness if she doe not want to listen to these clever men because that would get her killed... for reasons, or whatever crap her pointless speech was about.

Exactly, Ollena is an unstoppable bad idea machine.  Yet there are posts upon posts on forums of people heaping praise on her awesome speech.  I'll never understand.

On the other hand after going back and watching some episodes from the first seasons I am reminded why I liked this show enough to go back and read the books.  I think the scene is S2E1 where Robb confronts Jaime in his cell is the perfect contrast to the Jon Snow-Littlefinger confrontation in the crypts.  In one scene you have great dialogue, believable and logical motives, all capped off by a truly terrifying and credible threat.  In the other scene the dialogue is bizarre, motivations are either unclear or unestablished, and it ends on an almost laughable playground threat.

[Cas Stark]

I didn't heavily object to 'be a dragon'.....but it's a line that is meant for the viewer, if you are in a war strategy meeting, 'be a dragon' is meaningless.  If QOT means 'lay siege to KL and burn it down' she should just say so.  Or should give some type of actual advice, not speak in soundbytes.

The show has an increasing problem with these breaking of the 4th wall type of stuff.  Same with Arya's statement to Nymeria.  It was a very very awkward line that no person would say out loud used to shoe horn in the parallel to her line from the first season.  Did I mention very awkward and no one talks like that.

Jon and LF meeting in the crypts was fairly pointless.  Jon doesn't approve of LF love for Sansa.  Gee, color me surprised.  I'm not sure if was pure filler or if they keep sending the Starks down to the crypts because eventually something is going to be found there that is meaningful to the plot.

[SweetPea]

2 hours ago, Bear42 said:

On the other hand after going back and watching some episodes from the first seasons I am reminded why I liked this show enough to go back and read the books.  I think the scene is S2E1 where Robb confronts Jaime in his cell is the perfect contrast to the Jon Snow-Littlefinger confrontation in the crypts.  In one scene you have great dialogue, believable and logical motives, all capped off by a truly terrifying and credible threat.  In the other scene the dialogue is bizarre, motivations are either unclear or unestablished, and it ends on an almost laughable playground threat.

I just watched that scene and holy shit, it was so good. Great dialogue, great acting. It's hard to believe that we're watching the same show today.

 

 

[Nerevanin]

3 hours ago, Cas Stark said:

Jon and LF meeting in the crypts was fairly pointless.  Jon doesn't approve of LF love for Sansa.  Gee, color me surprised.  I'm not sure if was pure filler or if they keep sending the Starks down to the crypts because eventually something is going to be found there that is meaningful to the plot.

Maybe it happened in the crypts so that it would be clear that Ned's bones made it somehow to Winterfell? I'm not sure if it was stated before. But really, who gives a damn about some bones when LF tells Jon in the eyes that he would like to littlefinger his sister...

[Raksha 2014]

6 hours ago, Rockroi said:

Oh, and its fucking stupid that the Lannister Master-Plan for killing Dragons is "Hit it with a really large cross-bow."  

You know they fly, right?  And shoot fire?  Try hitting a moving, flying, fire-breathing target sometimes.  Its kinda hard. 

 

And yet, it's worked before:  Rhaenys, sister of Aegon the Conqueror, died with her dragon Meraxes when the latter was shot with a bolt from a Scorpion, which is a weapon similar to Qyburn's ballista.  (which they could have mentioned in the show; Qyburn should know that, having studied to be a Maester)

[snow is the man]

3 minutes ago, Raksha 2014 said:

 

And yet, it's worked before:  Rhaenys, sister of Aegon the Conqueror, died with her dragon Meraxes when the latter was shot with a bolt from a Scorpion, which is a weapon similar to Qyburn's ballista.  (which they could have mentioned in the show; Qyburn should know that, having studied to be a Maester)

if your fire enough of them you might hit something. However those things are not easy to move and are really only used during sieges not in an open battlefield. Which would have been a great point to be made for dany not attacking kings landing with her dragons.

 

Dany-We won't use the dragons on kings landing because the dragons can be taken down by a ballista and scorpions which cover the walls of kings landing. but on an open battlefield the dragons can kill with impunity.

 

Everyone else nods and realizes it's not a bad point.

 

 

 

[snow is the man]

19 hours ago, Stormking902 said:

I dont think the Queen of Thorns advice to Dany was to help her in any way shape or form, I believe she is so grief struck she just wants to watch the world burn. Seeing Cersie burn first would be preferable tho lol. 

This is what I took it as. She never liked kings landing or the lannisters (though she respected some of them). Now that her entire family is dead she has nothing left but vengence and watching the lannisters burn to a crisp (especially) cersei is all she wants. Basically she isn't following a leader she is following someone who can give her the vengence she craves.

 

[Ordee]

In regards to characters making no sense in recent episodes. Can anyone explain to me what happened to the Aria character? I know it says "Aria Stark" in the script, but this new thing walking around deadpan and killing with impunity is not the Aria I knew and liked for 5 and a half seasons. I am half expecting a reveal that shows this isn't her at all. Are the show runners just making her "look badass" or is there a logical and understandable reason for the complete change of character from Season 6 when she goes into hiding? That's honestly the last time I saw the Aria I know. She went into that basement to hide, fell asleep with Needle, and then woke up the next morning strutting around Braavos like nothing was up. Maybe I am missing some awesome point, but it feels like they swapped out Aria with someone else with half the soul and none of the "cheek" of the original girl. For the first time in 5 years I am not liking Aria's character and it's a real shame. 

[Lockjaw of House Boltagon]

25 minutes ago, Ordee said:

In regards to characters making no sense in recent episodes. Can anyone explain to me what happened to the Aria character? I know it says "Aria Stark" in the script, but this new thing walking around deadpan and killing with impunity is not the Aria I knew and liked for 5 and a half seasons. I am half expecting a reveal that shows this isn't her at all. Are the show runners just making her "look badass" or is there a logical and understandable reason for the complete change of character from Season 6 when she goes into hiding? That's honestly the last time I saw the Aria I know. She went into that basement to hide, fell asleep with Needle, and then woke up the next morning strutting around Braavos like nothing was up. Maybe I am missing some awesome point, but it feels like they swapped out Aria with someone else with half the soul and none of the "cheek" of the original girl. For the first time in 5 years I am not liking Aria's character and it's a real shame. 

There's a theory floating around that the Waif killed Arya and took her face, but I have a simpler explanation: for D&D, a strong female character = a deadpan, emotionless killing machine (see also: Dany).

[Gaz0680]

24 minutes ago, Ordee said:

In regards to characters making no sense in recent episodes. Can anyone explain to me what happened to the Aria character? I know it says "Aria Stark" in the script, but this new thing walking around deadpan and killing with impunity is not the Aria I knew and liked for 5 and a half seasons. I am half expecting a reveal that shows this isn't her at all. Are the show runners just making her "look badass" or is there a logical and understandable reason for the complete change of character from Season 6 when she goes into hiding? That's honestly the last time I saw the Aria I know. She went into that basement to hide, fell asleep with Needle, and then woke up the next morning strutting around Braavos like nothing was up. Maybe I am missing some awesome point, but it feels like they swapped out Aria with someone else with half the soul and none of the "cheek" of the original girl. For the first time in 5 years I am not liking Aria's character and it's a real shame. 

First off, her name is Arya, not Aria.

The writing in season 6 was horrible for Arya's arc and the training and outcome from her time in the House of Black and White with Faceless Men could and should have been done so much better.

Yes, the strutting around Braavos ghing was stupid and very bad writing. Arya is much smarter than that.

However, as for her character, Arya is still there, but you cant have the experiences she has and do the things she has done without it changing you somewhat.

Arya of Season 6/7 is, at her core still the same Arya of Season 1, but is even stronger and has a rougher edge/harder shell than she once did. 

[Davros Seaworth]

I was going to post this on Tuesday, but the site was down, and I haven't had chance to post again since then. I haven't caught up on the thread so I'm going to go on ahead and say that it's probably already all been said but I'm going to say it anyway.

First things first, I think Cogman a much better writer than D&D. I know it’s hardly a high standard to reach, but still. That is, if you don't mind the excessive praising of Tyrion for no reason, and there is still ridiculous plotting.

Also these thoughts are from the day after I watched it, so i'm probably forgetting stuff.

Why didn’t Dany question Varys when she first met?

Dany threatening to burn him alive? Sounds like a villain again.

Why was Tyrion the Saintly one presented as the reasonable one who mansplained to the “irrational” women?

And why is his “plan” not actually any better, in fact surely it would be better to get to King’s Landing first, unless Dany’s plan is to keep Cersei/Cheryl alive for as long as possible?

And why did they make the Dornish, in particular, so irrational in the first place with their stupid killing Martells to avenge Martells thing? I know it’s old but it’s still stupid.

Why was Dany so happy to have villains on her side anyway, is it because she is one? After poor Hizdhar I’m inclined to believe so.

What is up with the Dowager Sasstress (Olenna)?

I was going to say Melisandre has teleported, but since she disappeared about episode 2 Series 6, she could have spent all the rest of last season walking to Dragonstone for all we know.

Why can the writers pardon Melly but not Stannis? IS it because they genuinely hate him?

Can Dany make different facial expressions at all?

Strange to mention the gender neutral nature of Valyrian now when in Series 3 (or was it 4) we had the “we are not men” statement?

MissWorm is great an all, but why is this a) a thing since Missy was 10 in the books, the only consensual relationship in the show almost, c) randomly here? – That said, it is a postitive for the episode, as it was about human connection.

Cersei’s speech about the mad queen Dany would’ve made more sense not coming from someone who blew up the Westerosi equivalent of the Vatican?

If the Lords were worried about a Mad Queen why side with Cersei?

Why are there still no riots in King’s Landing? Do they stop existing when they’re not convenient for their plot?

Poor Larry sticking up for Cheryl. He still makes no sense as a character. I miss Season 3 Jaime.

Why don’t Cersei & Qyburn just hire Bard the Bowman while they’re at it?

And what’s this about Robert liking to come down looking at his trophies? He never wanted to look at them (the Dragon skeletons) again as far as I remember.

Balerion’s skull looks too small.

 

The whole thing with the Greyscale curing is stupid, isn’t it like chicken pox where it is different/fatal in adult?

But at least they didn’t find the cure instantly.

 

Why didn’t Sam/Stannis already tell Jon about the Dragonglass on Dragonstone, wouldn’t he have known that already?

Why don’t they just kill Littlefinger already? How does threatening help at all? Although if Sansa & Jon are too stupid to do it, maybe Jon is too stupid to realise that too.

 

Why was Arya so rude to Hot Pie, has she developed another personality too?

Why did they act like Nymeria is just a pet and not someone Arya has a deep connection to? I suppose they’re probably just going to kill her off too ☹

 

Everything about the Greyjoy ship battle was stupid.

Not only does Euron have the ability to create a 1000 ships out of thin air in a matter of weeks, he also seems to have the ability to teleport them across the sea so that they can sneak up on another fleet?
How on earth does a fleet sneak up on another fleet?

What’s with Theon? That’s not how PTSD works. He wouldn’t be magically okay with fighting at first and suddenly turn away when Yara is captured.

I don’t know why they wanted us to feel sorry for the Stupid Sand Snakes (SSS) when they were getting killed? They are comically badly written villains who they killed an innocent girl and members of their own family. What is sympathetic (or comprehensible in the latter case) about that?

[Houndbird]

On 28 July 2017 at 5:59 PM, Bear42 said:

Exactly, Ollena is an unstoppable bad idea machine.  Yet there are posts upon posts on forums of people heaping praise on her awesome speech.  I'll never understand.

On the other hand after going back and watching some episodes from the first seasons I am reminded why I liked this show enough to go back and read the books.  I think the scene is S2E1 where Robb confronts Jaime in his cell is the perfect contrast to the Jon Snow-Littlefinger confrontation in the crypts.  In one scene you have great dialogue, believable and logical motives, all capped off by a truly terrifying and credible threat.  In the other scene the dialogue is bizarre, motivations are either unclear or unestablished, and it ends on an almost laughable playground threat.

That was when there when the dialogue from the books was still relevant.  Now on their own the show runners limitations are glaring.  No GRRM to help.

[Cas Stark]

4 hours ago, Davros Seaworth said:

I was going to post this on Tuesday, but the site was down, and I haven't had chance to post again since then. I haven't caught up on the thread so I'm going to go on ahead and say that it's probably already all been said but I'm going to say it anyway.

First things first, I think Cogman a much better writer than D&D. I know it’s hardly a high standard to reach, but still. That is, if you don't mind the excessive praising of Tyrion for no reason, and there is still ridiculous plotting.  I thought that for a while too, but maybe they drag him down, the dialogue is pretty bad all around now, it's basically written to get twitter atwitter over one liners, nothing realistic anymore about it.

Also these thoughts are from the day after I watched it, so i'm probably forgetting stuff.

Why didn’t Dany question Varys when she first met?  Awful, I guess everyone played fucking Mahjong during their trip across the narrow sea, instead of talking strategy.

Dany threatening to burn him alive? Sounds like a villain again.  I'm not objective on Dany....but I think we're supposed to see burning your enemies alive as a badass good thing, as long as they are bad.

Why was Tyrion the Saintly one presented as the reasonable one who mansplained to the “irrational” women?

And why is his “plan” not actually any better, in fact surely it would be better to get to King’s Landing first, unless Dany’s plan is to keep Cersei/Cheryl alive for as long as possible? His plan is stupid other than putting Westerosis at the vanguard.

And why did they make the Dornish, in particular, so irrational in the first place with their stupid killing Martells to avenge Martells thing? I know it’s old but it’s still stupid.  Yep, still stupid.

Why was Dany so happy to have villains on her side anyway, is it because she is one? After poor Hizdhar I’m inclined to believe so.

What is up with the Dowager Sasstress (Olenna)?  More bad writing....'be a dragon' sounds like a good line, but if you were speaking it in an actual war room, it is utterly meaningless.

I was going to say Melisandre has teleported, but since she disappeared about episode 2 Series 6, she could have spent all the rest of last season walking to Dragonstone for all we know.

Why can the writers pardon Melly but not Stannis? IS it because they genuinely hate him?  Yes.

Can Dany make different facial expressions at all?  No.

Strange to mention the gender neutral nature of Valyrian now when in Series 3 (or was it 4) we had the “we are not men” statement?  It was pretty awkwardly thrown in there all at once.

MissWorm is great an all, but why is this a) a thing since Missy was 10 in the books, the only consensual relationship in the show almost, c) randomly here? – That said, it is a postitive for the episode, as it was about human connection.  I've given up objecting to this.

Cersei’s speech about the mad queen Dany would’ve made more sense not coming from someone who blew up the Westerosi equivalent of the Vatican?

If the Lords were worried about a Mad Queen why side with Cersei?  They wouldn't.  At best, they would imprison Cersei, and declare on of themselves as King if they weren't going to bend the knee to Dany.  

Why are there still no riots in King’s Landing? Do they stop existing when they’re not convenient for their plot?  Stupid

Poor Larry sticking up for Cheryl. He still makes no sense as a character. I miss Season 3 Jaime.  Yeah, they ruined him, it's too bad.

Why don’t Cersei & Qyburn just hire Bard the Bowman while they’re at it?

And what’s this about Robert liking to come down looking at his trophies? He never wanted to look at them (the Dragon skeletons) again as far as I remember.

Balerion’s skull looks too small.

 

The whole thing with the Greyscale curing is stupid, isn’t it like chicken pox where it is different/fatal in adult?  Yep, stupid and sooo unrealistic...especially that Sam, who isn't a doctor or healer is going to manage to successfully cure Jorah and not get the disease himself.

But at least they didn’t find the cure instantly.

 

Why didn’t Sam/Stannis already tell Jon about the Dragonglass on Dragonstone, wouldn’t he have known that already?  More bad plotting.

Why don’t they just kill Littlefinger already? How does threatening help at all? Although if Sansa & Jon are too stupid to do it, maybe Jon is too stupid to realise that too.  I assume he will finally get killed this season, but why they bothered keeping him alive to do nothing but sneer is weird.

 

Why was Arya so rude to Hot Pie, has she developed another personality too?  Westeros makes everyone stupid.  Look how much dumber Dany got the minute she hit the continent?  

Why did they act like Nymeria is just a pet and not someone Arya has a deep connection to? I suppose they’re probably just going to kill her off too ☹  Sadly I think they will kill all the wolves and dragons.  And I will hate both books and show for it.

 

Everything about the Greyjoy ship battle was stupid.

Not only does Euron have the ability to create a 1000 ships out of thin air in a matter of weeks, he also seems to have the ability to teleport them across the sea so that they can sneak up on another fleet?
How on earth does a fleet sneak up on another fleet?  I got over that plot hole, but why bother with the battle when you couldn't see anything?  And if you are going to give us a shout out woohoo moment when the Spice Snakes get killed, let's see it clearly.

What’s with Theon? That’s not how PTSD works. He wouldn’t be magically okay with fighting at first and suddenly turn away when Yara is captured.  I assume he has to get back to his real plot which is not in Dorne.....so he will go North again.

I don’t know why they wanted us to feel sorry for the Stupid Sand Snakes (SSS) when they were getting killed? They are comically badly written villains who they killed an innocent girl and members of their own family. What is sympathetic (or comprehensible in the latter case) about that?  I loved it, I was especially happy they got killed with their own weapons, that was a nice touch.