Trebla Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Yes because if this deal doesn't go through, NewsCorp. will wilt and die and Rupert Murdoch will end up homeless like the Duke Brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 While it would be nice to have all the marvel characters together I fear it would be a major loss to variety in the superhero genre if they Fox properties were just homogenised into the "one size fits all" Marvel approach. Honestly, Fox has got it's shit together with Deadpool and Logan and it seems like "New Mutants" will continue the trend of doing something different. I just don't see that happening if they were to join the MCU. At the present moment they simply wouldn't tolerate Deadpool or Logan existing in the same world as the MCU. I'd rather they left the X-men to do their own thing. Fantastic Four can move into the MCU - it needs all the help it can get. It's weird though - I can remember Fox trying to buy WB a year or so ago which would have brought the X-men and DC heroes under the same umbrella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 46 minutes ago, Trebla said: Yes because if this deal doesn't go through, NewsCorp. will wilt and die and Rupert Murdoch will end up homeless like the Duke Brothers. Yeah man, print media is doing really well these days. So is the movie business for everyone not called Disney. They need the cash, that's why they are selling. You can't get all worked up on FB over social issues and then directly support the people who help perpetrate them, Trebs. One or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 49 minutes ago, Trebla said: Yes because if this deal doesn't go through, NewsCorp. will wilt and die and Rupert Murdoch will end up homeless like the Duke Brothers. Anyway, I'm not telling YOU to boycott, I spoke for myself so I'm not sure why you getting defensive. Your conscience trying to tell you something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowKnight Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 48 minutes ago, red snow said: While it would be nice to have all the marvel characters together I fear it would be a major loss to variety in the superhero genre if they Fox properties were just homogenised into the "one size fits all" Marvel approach. Honestly, Fox has got it's shit together with Deadpool and Logan and it seems like "New Mutants" will continue the trend of doing something different. I just don't see that happening if they were to join the MCU. At the present moment they simply wouldn't tolerate Deadpool or Logan existing in the same world as the MCU. I'd rather they left the X-men to do their own thing. Fantastic Four can move into the MCU - it needs all the help it can get. It's weird though - I can remember Fox trying to buy WB a year or so ago which would have brought the X-men and DC heroes under the same umbrella. Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel about all of this. I kinda hope the X-Men never enter the MCU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurktan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Bastard of Boston said: https://www.newsarama.com/37232-21st-century-fox-in-talks-for-partial-disney-buyout-report.html Hmm, could we see X-Men and the Fantastic Four in Phase 4? I would guess that this is almost entirely so that Disney can own the film rights for A New Hope and the Xmen and such is just a "happy" bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebla Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 20 minutes ago, Relic said: Yeah man, print media is doing really well these days. So is the movie business for everyone not called Disney. They need the cash, that's why they are selling. You can't get all worked up on FB over social issues and then directly support the people who help perpetrate them, Trebs. One or the other. How is my wanting Marvel to buy back the X-Men, FF, etc. DIRECTLY supporting conservative media? So does that mean that when I watched Deadpool and the Cubs World Series I aided and abetted Sean Hannity and Jesse Watters? 17 minutes ago, Relic said: Anyway, I'm not telling YOU to boycott, I spoke for myself so I'm not sure why you getting defensive. Your conscience trying to tell you something? Uh...no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 51 minutes ago, Trebla said: So does that mean that when I watched Deadpool and the Cubs World Series I aided and abetted Sean Hannity and Jesse Watters? Well, yes , you did. That's just a fact. And Fox selling their studios probably means an injection of what....5 billion dollars or so into their operations? More? Seeing as how these people are literally trying to destroy the only parts of America I find admirable, i'm going to have to not watch anymore Star Wars in response. But that's just me. do as you wish, just don't tell me to calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I just clicked on the article, and there's been an update stating the talks have ceased. Let's all chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 BANG! the preceding was a Concise review emphasising brevity and encapsulating the movie into a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Bass Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Thor: Ragnarok, but it amusingly did continue the trend of Thor movies introducing ostensibly huge and very important villains and ideas, only to quickly dispose of them. It's also the third time they've used the "blowback" idea for villains, and not particularly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 On 11/7/2017 at 11:10 AM, Relic said: Well, yes , you did. That's just a fact. And Fox selling their studios probably means an injection of what....5 billion dollars or so into their operations? More? Seeing as how these people are literally trying to destroy the only parts of America I find admirable, i'm going to have to not watch anymore Star Wars in response. But that's just me. do as you wish, just don't tell me to calm down. No great loss IMO. While Rogue One was aiight, Episode VII fell flat for me. I'll give Ep VIII a go but if that also misses the mark I think that will be me for Star Wars. I mean, no really good Star Wars movie since Return of the Jedi (and even that was only good at the time because I was a kid, and as a kid I thought Empire Strikes Back was the least good of the OT - so what the hell did I know back then?). And I expect with that cutsey hood ornament everyone was gushing over I will be cringing quite a lot at all the merch placements they throw into the movie. However you slice it, Fox was going to get several pounds of flesh out of relinquishing the rights to its Marvel characters. But still giving Faux News $2 billion to buy back Marvel and Star Wars rights is better than giving it $5 billion for buying its whole entertainment wing. End of the day I think I prefer giving my money indirectly to Faux News via a Disney buy out than giving it directly to Faux News by buying movie tickets and Blu Rays. A $5 billion cash injection sticks in the throat a bit, but time will dissolve that bitter pill. Every time I go to a 20CFox movie I always feel a little bit dirty even if the movie is completely brilliant. But corporate culture and capitalism being what it is I should feel a little bit dirty every time I pay for a movie (or Netflix, or...) coming out of one of the Hollywood behemoths. I sympathise with your intentions and I will not disagree with what you intend to do if this sale goes ahead. But If I am to try to be morally consistent I don't feel for myself that I can draw that kind of line in the sand. I buy cell phones even though I know every cell phone contains minerals mined using terribly abusive child labour practices in Africa, not to mention the abusive labour practices in the manufacturing plants for those phones. I am hopelessly compromised and hypocritical when it comes to my ethical relationship with the world's mega corporations. Having no (or a substantially reduced) ongoing direct financial connection to Faux News is a net positive in my view. As to the implications of Disney swallowing up all Fox licensed Marvel properties for R-rated Marvel movies, I think that would / will be quite a terrible loss and people will basically be left with Netflix or porn parodies to get any R- and above rated fixes of Marvel entertainment. I would hope that Disney could establish an arms length subsidiary to take forward any R-rated production and thus keep it's family friendly facade and keep delivering R-rated content. Even under Fox there are only a handful of X-men who would ever appear in a Deadpool movie and almost certainly not any of the headline cast. As to @PetyrPunkinhead I definitely want to see Ragnarok again in the theater, but I'm not sure I will get the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 People who are advocating boycotting Disney if they buy WB/Fox properties: Do you currently boycott all WB/Fox properties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 7 hours ago, Myrddin said: People who are advocating boycotting Disney if they buy WB/Fox properties: Do you currently boycott all WB/Fox properties? At this point I think it's person, not people. At least for those who contribute to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetyrPunkinhead Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 On 11/6/2017 at 1:11 PM, Bastard of Boston said: https://www.newsarama.com/37232-21st-century-fox-in-talks-for-partial-disney-buyout-report.html Hmm, could we see X-Men and the Fantastic Four in Phase 4? This is literally the only reason I'd want this deal to happen. Fox is doing an okay enough job with the X-MEN universe and those characters have enough to function autonomously outside the MCU. However, the F4, Galactus, Dr. Doom, Silver Surfer, etc. are integral to so many great Marvel stories that they really need them back for the MCU to have any real longevity lest they do a reboot and start recasting major roles in the next five to ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggegg Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, PetyrPunkinhead said: This is literally the only reason I'd want this deal to happen. Fox is doing an okay enough job with the X-MEN universe and those characters have enough to function autonomously outside the MCU. However, the F4, Galactus, Dr. Doom, Silver Surfer, etc. are integral to so many great Marvel stories that they really need them back for the MCU to have any real longevity lest they do a reboot and start recasting major roles in the next five to ten years. I don't think a good FF movie is possible, even in the current MCU, but what I do want to see is more Doctor Doom. I grew up reading Secret Wars and ever since then Doctor Doom has been my favourite villain, its shameful the way they've tried to bring him to screen so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Mutants are always griping. They're moody and they make me feel bad about being human. Both because I'm so racist against mutants and because I'm jealous of their powers. I feel like the X- men have little to offer me at this point as the MCUs biggest fan. Dr.Doom looks silly AND awesome simultaneously; I don't know if he can carry an intense movie without being able to emote with his face, you know? So I hesitate to invite him into my Marvel movies, but it'd be lying to say my nethers don't get a tingly feeling at the prospect. Surfer is difficult to take seriously as a cosmic being who surfs, yet some part of the brain gives him a pass because surfing is cool. You can keep the Fantastics but you must give me Galactus, he'd be great in a brawl with an army of celestials or whatever constitutes a challenge for him, and he's big enough to fit into several movies and have an ongoing character arc. He's the big get. (Go Enchantress for Thor 4, when Thor finally realizes he loves Sif.... who survived Thor 3 by not appearing in it, right? Hmmm. Anyway, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Just watched Ragnarok last night. As we're all a bunch of book nerds... Did anyone else get a Dirk Gently vibe out of Odin in this? I just wish they'd named his care home "The Woodshead" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 4 hours ago, The Mother of The Others said: Mutants are always griping. They're moody and they make me feel bad about being human. Both because I'm so racist against mutants and because I'm jealous of their powers. I feel like the X- men have little to offer me at this point as the MCUs biggest fan. Dr.Doom looks silly AND awesome simultaneously; I don't know if he can carry an intense movie without being able to emote with his face, you know? So I hesitate to invite him into my Marvel movies, but it'd be lying to say my nethers don't get a tingly feeling at the prospect. Surfer is difficult to take seriously as a cosmic being who surfs, yet some part of the brain gives him a pass because surfing is cool. You can keep the Fantastics but you must give me Galactus, he'd be great in a brawl with an army of celestials or whatever constitutes a challenge for him, and he's big enough to fit into several movies and have an ongoing character arc. He's the big get. (Go Enchantress for Thor 4, when Thor finally realizes he loves Sif.... who survived Thor 3 by not appearing in it, right? Hmmm. Anyway, Make him like Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggegg Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Took me a while to eventually see it but Thor Ragnorak was just awesome!! Its pushing Winter Soldier for my favourite Marvel movie in fact, I liked it that much. It took all the elements and the recipe of Guardians of the Galaxy, but put them together in a way where I had a smile on my face the whole movie, rather than in small bursts like the other Guardian movies. It was genuinely funny at times, and every character was a delight to watch, everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves and that rubbed off. In fact the whole production was a joy, you could see the work and love in everything. I loved the way it looked, basically a live action cartoon that doesn’t even attempt to recreate reality, and revels in the freedom that gives. The whole hyper colourful Flash Gordon aesthetic was great, reminded me of the 80s transformer movie! Plus just a great soundtrack! I guess a lot of movies are doing that Tron daft punk thing but this one really works. I wish that I liked GotG as much as this, but they seem to fall flat somewhere. Maybe it’s the characters or that they feel like gloss on a formulaic tired movie, where this feels more like a pet project for the director. If there were any faults it was possibly the Asgard plot which was that enthralling. Oh and Valkirie who stood out as particularly bland amongst a ton of great comedic performances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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