Marvel Cinematic General Discussion 7

[RumHam]

3 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

Though how firm is the policy of only giving "solo" movies trilogies and then moving on? 

I don't think it's firm at all. If they think Thor 4 will make money more money than their other ideas for that slot in Phase 4, they'll do it. Provided Helmsworth is willing. (and he seemed to be during the press tour for Ragnorok.) 

3 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

Steve Rogers should at least show up in Black Panther for a cameo, given where Bucky ended up for safe-keeping. 

Dunno about Rogers but the guy who plays Bucky claimed he didn't do any filming for Black Panther. Though I would not be surprised if they stuck something they shot for Infinity War with him as one of the post credit scenes. 

3 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

 Captain Marvel is already confirmed to have Nick Fury

Oddly after the Captain Marvel announcement was made Jackson claimed to know nothing about it. But I do hope he's in it.

3 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

There is potentially a heck of a lot of story surrounding Captain Marvel.

I dunno if it was on here or in an article, but someone suggested the idea of bringing back Ronan the Accuser only as an ally of Danvers. I liked that idea

[The Anti-Targ]

5 minutes ago, RumHam said:

I dunno if it was on here or in an article, but someone suggested the idea of bringing back Ronan the Accuser only as an ally of Danvers. I liked that idea

I won't claim to be the only one, but I have said before in MCU threads that Ronan the Accuser should make an appearance in Captain Marvel and be one of the good guys. it could almost be an Anakin Skywalker type transformation from light to dark, only without the bad plot and cheese.

I swear I hadn't read any speculative articles before independently hitting on this idea, but there are some speculative articles out there e.g. https://screenrant.com/captain-marvel-ronan-accuser-return-guardians-galaxy/

Ronan was officially part of the Kree-Skrull war in comic book canon. And from memory reading Marvel wikis Ronan helped Carol Danvers get control of her new powers. Assuming Carol Danvers will be fighting with the Kree, it only makes sense that if Ronan appears he is an ally of Carol's. It would be a wasted opportunity if Ronan either didn't appear or he is cast as a villain in Captain Marvel.

If things go well for solo Captain Marvel, it would be pretty cool to have more than one movie with her set in the past with her doing galactic adventures. There's a good 18 years of her mucking around far away from Earth before we catch up with GoTG in 2014. I would think you'd probably want to have her exit the galactic scene by 2010 or 2012 in the timeline so as not to create continuity issues with GoTG. That way we could actually see how Ronan breaks bad and throws in with Thanos, as well as tell a few stories where Captain Marvel and Peter Quills almost come across each other as he grows up, but they never quite do.

[Calibandar]

On 11/11/2017 at 7:14 PM, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

 I haven't seen the film, so this comment doesn't directly relate to Hemsworth's performance, but idiot Thor is the correct version of Thor, IMHO. If you've read the myths, idiot is at the core of Thor. I realize this isn't always the iteration that Marvel forwards, but it is the most accurate and best version of the character for my money.

I would recommend that you first watch the film in any case.

It is definitely a different Thor from the one we saw in previous Thor movies and Avengers movies.

And the Marvel Thor is of course what they are showing and adapting here, not the mythological Thor ( yes, I've read the myths and like that Thor as well).

[mormont]

14 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said:

Arguably though, there are no more true solo movies. Pretty sure every MCU movie will feature at least 2 established headline characters, or use one established headline character and introduce another.

That's really the benefit of a shared universe. Now they have all these characters established, they can drop them in and give that sense of a larger world. That's what historically worked in the comics, after all.

[The Anti-Targ]

Just watched the CBG19 review. She geeked out hard on Thor Ragnarok. It was interesting that she loved the broad strokes of the movie and didn't get down into the detail which is where you find the flaws. But as someone who is deeply into the Marvel Comics (albeit with a stronger personal connection to X-men than the Avengers) her calling this her favourite new Marvel movie is quite the kudos to Taika and crew.

It does help that she loves Taika's work in general and his style of humour. So she was always going to click with that. And its completely understandable that if you don't click with the humour in this movie you are not going to like it very much. Fortunately it seems most of the world is on board with the Waititi brand of humour.

Interesting tidbit from her review, apparently the snake story was mean to be a full flashback scene, but Hemsworth improv'd the story so well they just went for his narration rather than the flashback. And another tidbit, Beta Ray Bill was originally written into the script but they couldn't work out how to include him in a meaningful way. So they dropped him. But it does seem like there's some inclination to introduce him into the MCU. If they keep embracing the wierdness of cosmic Marvel, then it might be possible to bring BRB into the MCU in a way that works. Who knows, could we see the destruction of the Korbinites in Captain Marvel? They are meant to be destroyed by Sutur, but they could change things up. Still, Sutur must have been doing something back in the 90's. Perhaps blowing up the Korbinites was his practice for Ragnarok.

[The Anti-Targ]

So Jude Law the male lead (probably a Kree, maybe Mar Vell?) for Captain Marvel. One article I read was that he would help Carol get to grips with her new powers.

This is sounding like a lost opportunity to reprise Ronin the Accuser and have him help Carol out. I still hope Ronin will be in Captain Marvel fighting alongside Carol.

A small worry that we might be seeing a mirror of the Wonder Woman / Steve Trevor relationship. If he's Mar Vell, then Carol will probably adopt the name Captain Marvel in honour of Mar Vell, who will die in some gloriously self sacrificial manner. The stories of the relationships between the two movies would differ in detail, but thematically they would be very similar. Both male characters are helping these women find their way in the world. In the case of Wonder Woman it's integrating into modern society. In the case of Captain Marvel, its coping with and coming to grips with her new powers.

[The BlackBear]

There is leaked footage around,

Spoiler

The guardians turn up at one of the collectors dens (probably the Knowhere one) Thanos, who we don't see because his cgi wasn't done at the time (we only see a motion capture style shoe on the Collectors chest), is threatening him looking for the reality stone (the aether from Thor 2.) Drax is getting ready to attack him.

 

[The Anti-Targ]

1 hour ago, The BlackBear said:

There is leaked footage around,

  Reveal hidden contents

The guardians turn up at one of the collectors dens (probably the Knowhere one) Thanos, who we don't see because his cgi wasn't done at the time (we only see a motion capture style shoe on the Collectors chest), is threatening him looking for the reality stone (the aether from Thor 2.) Drax is getting ready to attack him.

 

Not much of a spoiler really. We gotta figure Thanos is going to run around the galaxy / universe(?) collecting all the non-earth bound stones before going to earth to get the two that are there. That's going to be the essence of the villain's journey through IW. It'll be interesting to see how much of the movie that takes up, and where we'll be looking in on the Avengers to see what level of dysfunction they're at while Thanos is doing his Tiki tour.

[Bastard of Boston]

Huge Vanity Fair feature dropped today. Avengers 3 trailer will either drop in three days or on December 3, if hints from the Russo brothers are being interpreted correctly.

Quotes from Vanity Fair:

"I thought, 'could somebody take a photo of this?,'" Chris Hemsworth said. "We’re all aware that this is going to be the last time we get to hang out like this."

Kevin Feige: [Avengers 4 will] "bring things you’ve never seen in superhero films: a finale...there will be two distinct periods. Everything before Avengers 4 and everything after. I know it will not be in ways people are expecting."

Bob Iger: "We’re looking for worlds that are completely separate—geographically or in time—from the worlds that we’ve already visited."

Feige: "22 movies in, and we’ve got another 20 movies on the docket that are completely different from anything that’s come before—intentionally."

Full story and a stacked photo shoot here

[The Anti-Targ]

It will be hard saying good bye to some characters, but ultimately I think it will be good. I guess the question is what characters they will keep in the transition.

There is also the question over Disney maybe buying Fox entertainment. That could have major ramifications on the direction of the MCU. Bringing Galactus and Silver Surfer unto the MCCU (Marvel Cosmic Cinematic Universe) adds a whole new dimension, even if F4 is kind of left on the sidelines until phase 5. I think a good decade or more would need to pass before anyone trotted out another F4 movie.

If phase 4 is secret invasion, then I guess they can wait and make Galactus the big threat to Earth in Phase 5.

[HokieStone]

7 hours ago, Bastard of Boston said:

Huge Vanity Fair feature dropped today.

Full story and a stacked photo shoot here

Interesting article.  I've never heard of Ike Perlmutter before...which sounds like that's how he wants it.  Seems like an odd and creepy kind of guy...seems good for the brand that he's being pushed to the side.

[The Anti-Targ]

How much more meta can the world get? Marvel have released a trailer for the worldwide trailer for Infinity War. I guess the next thing will be an announcement for the pre-trailer trailer. And then there will be rumours of an announcement for a pre-trailer trailer.

 

[polishgenius]

7 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

How much more meta can the world get? Marvel have released a trailer for the worldwide trailer for Infinity War. I guess the next thing will be an announcement for the pre-trailer trailer. And then there will be rumours of an announcement for a pre-trailer trailer.

 

The stupidest one is still when WB had a cinema release for the Batman vs Superman trailer.

We've had trailer-trailers for a while to be fair. The latest one that's been annoying me is that many trailers themselves now open with a clip from later in the trailer.

[The Mother of The Others]

What can that possibly even mean, the line about how the next 20 movies will be different from anything we've seen before?   That's a case of them just saying something, anything, and having the press rush to print it.  The words don't make sense.   The next 20 will be in many ways very similar to the first 20, by definition, because Disney won't let them release porn, and neither can they bust out with, "surprise!  There's no superheroes in this next one!"   (Edit: unless they have Scarlet Witch say 'No... More...Enhanced!')

[The Anti-Targ]

4 hours ago, The Mother of The Others said:

What can that possibly even mean, the line about how the next 20 movies will be different from anything we've seen before?   That's a case of them just saying something, anything, and having the press rush to print it.  The words don't make sense.   The next 20 will be in many ways very similar to the first 20, by definition, because Disney won't let them release porn, and neither can they bust out with, "surprise!  There's no superheroes in this next one!"   (Edit: unless they have Scarlet Witch say 'No... More...Enhanced!')

I imagine Warner Bros would love it if Wanda had that kind of power in the MCU.

Hmmm, MCU porn. Avengers: Infinite Whores part 1.

[Kalbear]

I think what they mean is that the universe is going to largely be reset and changed quite a bit.

[Rhom]

 

Its here!

[Rhom]

Trailer has everything you'd want to see.  While we all kind of knew it had to happen, seeing Vision at the hands of Thanos was pretty jarring.

[Eggegg]

4 minutes ago, Rhom said:

 

Its here!

YEESSSS!!

Oh actually, I'm strangely underwhelmed. 

[Rhom]

15 minutes ago, Eggegg said:

YEESSSS!!

Oh actually, I'm strangely underwhelmed. 

Really?  I thought it looked great.   

Didn't think it gave away anything we didn't already know and gave us some good set ups.