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I wonder if they will cheap out with the reality stone and have it as a post credits scene. He doesn't have it when he gets to Earth, and his interrogation of the Collector previously yielded nothing. So he decides to go to Earth and pick up the 2 (or 3) stones that he knows are there. Then it's off to get the Reality stone to complete the set.

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1 hour ago, The Anti-Targ said:

I wonder if they will cheap out with the reality stone and have it as a post credits scene. He doesn't have it when he gets to Earth

I'm not sure this is true. As I said before Marvel has released trailers with altered or misleading scenes before. It would be a simple thing to CGI in other stones to the glove. Also I thought the scene where he has the two stones was not on Earth. In the leaked comic-con footage doesn't he

 

pulls one of the planet's multiple moons down to the planet? I've seen speculation that that all takes place on a devostated Xandar 

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General musings about the trailer.

I'm not sure how much we can read into Stark not being in the shot of them all running towards the camera. It's clearly in Wakanda, and we see in the shot of Falcon flying over a fight, Tony is fighting in the Hulkbuster armour. We see Bruce stood next to the gauntlet that appears to be hooked up to some testing equipment. Is he getting a Vibranium upgrade? Bruce, Tony and T'Challa working together to improve the Hulkbuster armour. So what happens between that calm seeming stuff, and the battle? Why is Tony relatively isolated (he has Wakandans around him, but no identifiable heroes.)

Thanos has the Power gem first, then adds the Space Gem, which we see Loki offer up. He may have the Time Gem as we can't see his thumb, but it seems unlikely. There is a very slight green camera flare when he punches Iron Man, but I don't think he has it, that combined with the power stone makes him pretty much unstoppable by itself.

Corvus Glaive is the guy trying to rip the gem out of Visions head (it's his spear,) Proxima Midnight lobs her spear at Cap, he then catches it. Black Widow stabs someone with a spear. Does she kill Proxima, giving our heroes a small victory against Thanos big one? Ebony Maw,and Black Dwarf have yet to appear I think.

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Saw Ragnarok the other night.  Loved it.  I can see why some might not like it, but I think dumb Thor is the best Thor.  It fits his character perfectly, and Hemsworth is great at comedy so it works really well.  I just generally enjoy how Marvel can swing from more serious fare like Winter Soldier and Civil War to ridiculous shit like Guardians and Ragnarok and not skip a beat, along with films that fall somewhere in the middle like Homecoming and Doctor Strange to round everything out.  It's just really impressive the general quality level these films maintain despite releasing like two a year for the past decade.  What was the last bad Marvel movie?  Iron Man 3?  

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12 minutes ago, briantw said:

 What was the last bad Marvel movie?  Iron Man 3?  


Iron Man 3 was cracking. It was also before Thor 2 which I know a lot of people see as the worst Marvel film (although I like it personally).

Ant-Man, on the other hand, I thought was poor. As was Age of Ultron really.

But yeah, they've had some good consistency. And are finally starting to take at least a few deviations from the template that was kind of starting to dull my enthusiasm (still haven't seen Homecoming, though I probably will this week).

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6 minutes ago, polishgenius said:


Iron Man 3 was cracking. It was also before Thor 2 which I know a lot of people see as the worst Marvel film (although I like it personally).

Ant-Man, on the other hand, I thought was poor. As was Age of Ultron really.

But yeah, they've had some good consistency. And are finally starting to take at least a few deviations from the template that was kind of starting to dull my enthusiasm (still haven't seen Homecoming, though I probably will this week).

I just found Thor 2 to be forgettable.  It wasn't bad or anything.  Just nothing special.

Iron Man 3 I thought was outright bad.

I enjoyed Ant-Man.  Thought it was enjoyable and funny.  Not a great film, but certainly not bad.

Age of Ultron was all right.  It was just too similar to the first Avengers and it obviously wasn't as good as its predecessor.  

So yeah...I'd probably take Iron Man 3 as the last bad one.  There were a few underwhelming ones after that, but nothing that was as bad as Iron Man 3.

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43 minutes ago, briantw said:

Saw Ragnarok the other night.  Loved it.  I can see why some might not like it, but I think dumb Thor is the best Thor.  It fits his character perfectly, and Hemsworth is great at comedy so it works really well.  I just generally enjoy how Marvel can swing from more serious fare like Winter Soldier and Civil War to ridiculous shit like Guardians and Ragnarok and not skip a beat, along with films that fall somewhere in the middle like Homecoming and Doctor Strange to round everything out.  It's just really impressive the general quality level these films maintain despite releasing like two a year for the past decade.  What was the last bad Marvel movie?  Iron Man 3?  

I don't think it's accurate to say "dumb". He did outsmart Loki. This version of Thor comes across to me like a less conceited, self-centered and vulgar version of Archer.

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2 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

I don't think it's accurate to say "dumb". He did outsmart Loki. This version of Thor comes across to me like a less conceited, self-centered and vulgar version of Archer.

I just mean dumb in that he often says stupid things and is the subject of a lot of physical comedy, like when he throws the ball at the window and it bounces back and hits him right in the face.  

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1 hour ago, briantw said:

I just found Thor 2 to be forgettable.  It wasn't bad or anything.  Just nothing special.

Iron Man 3 I thought was outright bad.

I enjoyed Ant-Man.  Thought it was enjoyable and funny.  Not a great film, but certainly not bad.

Age of Ultron was all right.  It was just too similar to the first Avengers and it obviously wasn't as good as its predecessor.  

So yeah...I'd probably take Iron Man 3 as the last bad one.  There were a few underwhelming ones after that, but nothing that was as bad as Iron Man 3.

That sums up my feelings as well... IM3 just didn;t do it for me... the kid was just awful... and the Mandarin swerve pissed me off...

I had similar feelings about Thor 2... except no dumb swerve at the end... just a a dumb crazy selvig sub plot and a bad villain...

Unlike a lot of people.... I liked Ultron... it wasn;t a masterpiece... but it had a lot of moving parts...

Ant Man was a lot better than i thought it would be... they were smart enough to keep the scope small... and turn it into a heist film... and Michael Pena was just great

For me, the Captain America movies have been the best series thus far... Although I'll put Ragnarok right up there with Winter Soldier for my favorite Marvel flick 

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1 hour ago, briantw said:

I just mean dumb in that he often says stupid things and is the subject of a lot of physical comedy, like when he throws the ball at the window and it bounces back and hits him right in the face.  


'Goofy' might perhaps be a word closer to what you're looking for?

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2 minutes ago, Martini Sigil said:

That sums up my feelings as well... IM3 just didn;t do it for me... the kid was just awful... and the Mandarin swerve pissed me off...

I had similar feelings about Thor 2... except no dumb swerve at the end... just a a dumb crazy selvig sub plot and a bad villain...

Unlike a lot of people.... I liked Ultron... it wasn;t a masterpiece... but it had a lot of moving parts...

Ant Man was a lot better than i thought it would be... they were smart enough to keep the scope small... and turn it into a heist film... and Michael Pena was just great

For me, the Captain America movies have been the best series thus far... Although I'll put Ragnarok right up there with Winter Soldier for my favorite Marvel flick 

Yeah I'd agree with most of this.

Looking back I think Iron Man 3 probably was quite a bad movie, despite the absolute hype it got at the time of being some sort of masterpiece simply due to who wrote and directed it. I think actually it was in some ways quite a brave movie, the way it decided to make a lot of it about Tony without the suit. But it was hugely let down by its last section ( the dumb iron suit brawl) and a pretty damn uninspiring villain. In fact I loved the Mandarin twist, it was really cool and Ben Kingsley was excellent when he was revealed to be just an actor. But that the real villain was so dull was a big failure and he needed to be a lot more interesting. 

I also liked Ant Man quite a bit, it was often quite funny, but probably not good enough to bother rewatching.

 

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6 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

'Goofy' might perhaps be a word closer to what you're looking for?

Yeah that would work.  I just go with dumb Thor.  Either way, I enjoy that portrayal of the character.  It fits within the mythological origins of the character and also meshes well with turning Thor into a comic relief character, and I think that's an effective use of the character within the greater Marvel universe.

I think it works because it's a lovable stupidity rather than a frustrating one.

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However people feel about the Mandarin swerve in IM3, it is a very cunning plan for misdirection, and because of that I liked it. Could they have made it work if Ben Kingsley was the actual Mandarin and Killian was the enforcer / captain of the troops? Probably. Not sure it would have made a better movie. And It was a great vehicle for humour in the movie.

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What was the last bad Marvel movie?  Iron Man 3?

 

I don't think any of the Marvel movies have been "bad" in the sense of being unwatchably awful or actually shit, like Man of Steel and Batman vs. Superman. The worst of them - Iron Man 2 and 3 - are just deeply mediocre, I think. The flipside of that is that absolutely none of them have been stand-out classics (although Guardians of the Galaxy might have a shot at being this generation's Ghostbusters in terms of mixing comedy and action, but we'll have to see how it ages). They're a little too disposable for that, I think.

 

 

 

 

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On 12/3/2017 at 1:44 AM, RumHam said:

I'm not sure this is true. As I said before Marvel has released trailers with altered or misleading scenes before. It would be a simple thing to CGI in other stones to the glove. Also I thought the scene where he has the two stones was not on Earth. In the leaked comic-con footage doesn't he

  Reveal hidden contents

pulls one of the planet's multiple moons down to the planet? I've seen speculation that that all takes place on a devostated Xandar 

Perhaps, but I would think a trailer should CGI out the power stone and leave the reality stone in. Nabbing the reality stone off the collector is less interesting than taking out the Nova Corps to get the power stone. So it's less spoilery to show the reality stone and keep the power stone hidden. But they left the power stone there to tell us all that the Nova Crops has been taken down.

Of course that means they cheaped out with showing how he got the power stone by having it in the trailer, and people will be like, OK we only need a 20 second flash back to give us the Cliff's notes version. We already knew Loki handed over the space stone, but what's important about it is not that Loki handed it over, but what is Loki's motivation in handing it over, and what he does after handing it over.

I guess it is right for the movie to almost exclusively focus on telling the story around Thanos' quest to acquire the 3 stones that are on Earth, or rather the two stones we know are on Earth and the soul stone which no one has seen...yet.

I was watching a Youtube about the soul stone. It said the soul stone is unique among the stones in that it is, or is a portal to, a pocket dimension. In the context of it probably being in Wakanda, and showing up in Black Panther possibly, this could be represented by the soul stone being the means by which Black Panthers can communicate with and call upon past Black Panthers.

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So we've learned the way to happiness is to not demand that villains meet a specific set of expectations for villainy.   Just let the movie entertain you as what it is.   For example, lots of moments in Ironman 3 really shine and the rest of the smaller moments are still fun.   And still to this day the greatest threat they've ever faced was in Thor 2.    The Ironman where he fought some guy from within his own company was the worst because that guy was such a butt for no real reason.  Was that movie meant to reinforce the democrat belief that  businessmen are the devil?   Whatever.

 There's a real Mandarin out there somewhere, but they needed to introduce magic first via Dr.Strange, not waste that reveal on a magic vs. metal showdown it wasn't time for yet.  And apparently China won't let you caste a bad guy Asian if you want the full # of movie screens they offer if they like your portrayal.

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9 hours ago, The Mother of The Others said:

So we've learned the way to happiness is to not demand that villains meet a specific set of expectations for villainy.   Just let the movie entertain you as what it is.   For example, lots of moments in Ironman 3 really shine and the rest of the smaller moments are still fun.   And still to this day the greatest threat they've ever faced was in Thor 2.    The Ironman where he fought some guy from within his own company was the worst because that guy was such a butt for no real reason.  Was that movie meant to reinforce the democrat belief that  businessmen are the devil?   Whatever.

 There's a real Mandarin out there somewhere, but they needed to introduce magic first via Dr.Strange, not waste that reveal on a magic vs. metal showdown it wasn't time for yet.  And apparently China won't let you caste a bad guy Asian if you want the full # of movie screens they offer if they like your portrayal.

I prefer my superhero movies to not have things that are true in real life.

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Something that got talked about back when GotG was released, but I haven't seen discussed about the trailer: is anyone else still worried that Thanos is gonna be a bit underwhelming? We don't see him speak, or emote at all. We see him punch Iron Man, that's about it. Other than his ambition of owning these things we've been told are super powerful, I'm not really hyped about him as a villain. I'm sure I'll still love the movie though.

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Just now, DaveSumm said:

Something that got talked about back when GotG was released, but I haven't seen discussed about the trailer: is anyone else still worried that Thanos is gonna be a bit underwhelming? We don't see him speak, or emote at all. We see him punch Iron Man, that's about it. Other than his ambition of owning these things we've been told are super powerful, I'm not really hyped about him as a villain. I'm sure I'll still love the movie though.

As a non-comic reader I've yet to find Thanos even remotely interesting in his brief appearances so far in the movies. I'm hoping that will change when he's the main focus of the film, but Marvel's track record of delivering interesting movie villains isn't great.

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10 hours ago, DaveSumm said:

Something that got talked about back when GotG was released, but I haven't seen discussed about the trailer: is anyone else still worried that Thanos is gonna be a bit underwhelming? We don't see him speak, or emote at all. We see him punch Iron Man, that's about it. Other than his ambition of owning these things we've been told are super powerful, I'm not really hyped about him as a villain. I'm sure I'll still love the movie though.

I would say they still have a lot of polish to put on Thanos' facial animations, they will probably still be polishing it until nearly the day before release. So not terribly surprising the trailer didn't contain any substantial facial animation. Thanos' motivations need to be reasonably fleshed out in this movie, we don't know why Thanos wants to forge the Infinity Gauntlet, and it would be pretty weird to introduce the Lady Death love plot this late in the game. They also can't substitue with Hela, because Thanos was intent on the gauntlet well before Hela showed up. Becoming master of the universe seems really lame and cliche. I hope "bringing balance to the universe" has an interesting explanation and motivation behind it.

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