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The country with the strongest tradition of preventing regional identity is France. I don't see many signs of that changing.

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43 minutes ago, Hereward said:

The country with the strongest tradition of preventing regional identity is France. I don't see many signs of that changing.

True.

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1 hour ago, Seli said:

True.

But apparently* even France has relaxed its French as only allowed language in France a wee bit under the influence of the European charter for regional and minority languages.

*ok, according to wikipedia

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5 hours ago, Notone said:

Thank you for making my point again. And for not pointing out how you would reconcile those points (which you need to do) in order to create some sort of United States of Europe.

Maybe some parts of europe can become reservations for indiginous european populations? USA has something similar with the "first nations" or "native americans". I dont know which term is prefered in north america.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation

I think if we get reservations that many reservations would get poor and suffer from emigration. Only the most stubborn would remain. Ironicly i think reservations will do the opposite of what they are meant to do. It will also couse economic challanges and destableise states. Some reservations could be succesfull but it depends on their human resources, material resources and geography.

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EU as masters and the East as serfs? Really? You need to resort to the EU wants to rule over you stick the far right uses? And how is that relevant towards the idea of the United States of Europe? Afterall the Eastern States decided to join on their own accord (for the economical perks), if they feel the obligation to guarantee western democratic values is too steep a price to pay, maybe they should indeed look towards Moscow.

Over time i think the east will become less powerfull as their demographics turn and they will be forced to listen more to westerners. Eastern europe also depends on western europe for safe and guaranteed acess to the world ocean something russia has wanted for centuries as shipping is the cheapest form of transportation and incredibly useful for global trade. Russias biggest harbours in russias core(west of the urals) do all have chokepoints that nato control like bosphorus, the baltic sea and russias northern harbours are frozen for long periods of the year and the cost of transport is higher there. Russia could use its pacific harbours but the cost of transport to the pacific is high.

I would say the people who gains the most in the EU system is the upper middle class and the upper class of all european countries especialy western european countries as they have more inherited property and can invest in cheaper markets to the east.

I think that right now eastern europe is strong enought to stand on its own feet. But later they will lose some relevance, standing and power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Next_100_Years:_A_Forecast_for_the_21st_Century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium

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First Nations in Canada and Native Americans in the US. Also reservations are terrible.

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13 hours ago, norwaywolf123 said:

Maybe some parts of europe can become reservations for indiginous european populations? USA has something similar with the "first nations" or "native americans". I dont know which term is prefered in north america.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation

I think if we get reservations that many reservations would get poor and suffer from emigration. Only the most stubborn would remain. Ironicly i think reservations will do the opposite of what they are meant to do. It will also couse economic challanges and destableise states. Some reservations could be succesfull but it depends on their human resources, material resources and geography.

Over time i think the east will become less powerfull as their demographics turn and they will be forced to listen more to westerners. Eastern europe also depends on western europe for safe and guaranteed acess to the world ocean something russia has wanted for centuries as shipping is the cheapest form of transportation and incredibly useful for global trade. Russias biggest harbours in russias core(west of the urals) do all have chokepoints that nato control like bosphorus, the baltic sea and russias northern harbours are frozen for long periods of the year and the cost of transport is higher there. Russia could use its pacific harbours but the cost of transport to the pacific is high.

I would say the people who gains the most in the EU system is the upper middle class and the upper class of all european countries especialy western european countries as they have more inherited property and can invest in cheaper markets to the east.

I think that right now eastern europe is strong enought to stand on its own feet. But later they will lose some relevance, standing and power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Next_100_Years:_A_Forecast_for_the_21st_Century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium

I think it's more likely that if the tensions with Russia and turkey continue then the eastern nations will become more relevant as Europe and the US prop them up in order to stop them swapping over to another world power for protection. 

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1 hour ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said:

I think it's more likely that if the tensions with Russia and turkey continue then the eastern nations will become more relevant as Europe and the US prop them up in order to stop them swapping over to another world power for protection. 

George Friedman from stratfor also think that USA will prop up easterneurope. Turkey treats is relationship with russia as a way to push the west to cede "ground".

http://historum.com/speculative-history/45483-poland-turkey-next-great-powers-europe.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/george-friedman-eastern-europe-is-trapped-2016-4?r=US&IR=T&IR=T

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/george-friedman-on-world-war-iii-776748/

Later after 2050 i think demography will weaken eastern europe.

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On 28.07.2017 at 11:54 PM, Archangel Lucifer said:

What do you guys think about it ? I think this will never happen  but who knows

No.Just no.

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Juncker's State of the Union address......

United States of Europe back on!  Now the pesky Brits have exited stage right pursued by a bear the project can continue.

And the migrant crisis has been resolved.

Lots more Euros for everybody!

Oh and Nick Clegg might need to eat some humble pie about that European Army question.....not such a fantasy apparently.

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