[Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

[The Fattest Leech]

Oh, one more. 

I love love love how the writers are cramming in the world history now that the show is almost over. It's like it is important, or something. 

Remember when showfans claimed that was all filler and not important and that is why it was cut???  

[Lady Fevre Dream]

23 minutes ago, Corvinus said:

This is precisely why I think they did it in the show - the modern idea that every bank is corrupt and puts profit above all else. But I highly doubt that GRRM will ever put the Iron Bank in this light in the books. Sure, maybe some individuals who are greedy enough, and forgetful enough of their history would stoop to such practices, but I don't believe the institution ever will. So I'm pissed off that once again, the show did away with book lore, to once again insert some modernism in the show.

I would have bought the idea of the BANK being effected by slavery in some respects IF it had been made clear that it was the bank being sneaky, not making it sound like Braavos was friggin Volantis.....The Land of the Slave and The Home of The Brutes.  I've seen theories on ideas of the Bank being pro and anti slavery, book wise, but it seemed the show was just going with:  All of Braavos loves slavery, not just The Iron Bank. 

[SerProle]

Bran and Sansa at the tree, legitimately creepy and for a moment I felt something. That was it.

Jon and Dany had less chemistry than Mel and Varys, and so said half the people at my house who had higher hopes for this fated meeting of blah blah blah.

Greyscale overnight spa cure was even stupider than Wolverine's wounded parkour last season, I agree with PJ on that.

Castles and battles were beyond pointless, why even bother, so obviously were they just about evening the odds between the two queens. The distance and timing issues were so ridiculous that even people at my house who don't look at maps knew it was all just stupid.

Dialogue was nothing but cliches, spoken by people standing around, what the hell are they doing with the budget. And seemed to be written by people who are guessing about this world? I feel sorry for someone like Linda who has to try and keep track of all the really bizarre mistakes/changes in the show.

Euron's gifts torture porn was cringey and offensive all at once, no matter how much I hate the sneks.

Cersei blow job and Jaime the moral corpse, how I wish they both would die die die.

I had to watch twice as usual, different groups of friends at my house mooching HBO, and the second time was actually painful, I browsed the news on my phone I was so desperate for distraction lol.

I'm reading about some of the leaks as part of this new big hack. It doesn't look good, so search out at your own risk. I thought I was over feeling upset and sad about the decline of this show, but I was wrong. It is still upsetting and sad.

 

[Lady Fevre Dream]

3 hours ago, Snormund said:

First time posting here, although I have lurked here after episodes of the last two seasons.  I appreciate these threads as I am very upset with the way the show has diverged from the books, and subsequently seen its quality diminish significantly.   Seasons 1-4 weren't perfect but they were nonetheless brilliant IMO, and I loved them immensely.  Starting in season 5 with the complete ruination of the Dorne and Stannis storylines, things got really messy, to say the least.

 

This episode was often infuriating for me.  It was still enjoyable at times because it is still based on a phenomenal story after all.  However, I do not like the direction this show continues to go in.

 

 

Complaints about E03:

 

*I cannot possibly imagine anyone less likable than Daenerys.  The fact that they are going to make Jon become her love slave is disgusting and IMO is just destroying his character.  She is insufferable, spoiled, entitled brat (who at times e shows signs of becoming a villain) and I cannot see why he would fall for her; it doesn't fit his character at all.  Despite her imprisoning Jon and Davos after they came to her for help (simply because they didn't kiss her ass enough) and other instances of her having a disturbing goddess complex,I feel that the show expects us to cheer for Dany, and I find that quite impossible; she is probably my most hated living character on the show at this point.  Hearing her brag about how she was the first person in ages to hatch dragons or marshall the Dothraki across the sea was cringe-inducing.  Emilia Clarke's horrific acting doesn't do Dany any favors on the show either.

*I am very biased because I have an absolutely MASSIVE crush on Carice Van Houten, but I feel that this show has severely underutilized her and her character Melisandre the past two seasons.  First of all, she had limited interactions with Jon after resurrecting him which made absolutely no sense.  They should have established some sort of relationship after that, whether positive, neutral or negative.  Season 5 had her try and seduce him, which fails mostly due to him being in mourning for Ygritte.  I was interested in their dynamic as I think that Melisandre may have been planning to replace Stannis with Jon, but would have been thwarted in her efforts to control Jon, who I am sure would have turned on her once he was made aware of her insanity and propensity for human sacrifice.  Furthermore, we have yet to receive an  explanation on the source of her longevity.  S4 showed she doesn't need her necklace to remain young and beautiful so what's the secret? So many more questions about her age and who she really is that have just been hand waved by the show! Additionally, the show has long nerfed Melisandre.   Besides being able to birth shadow demons after being impregnated, her only other powers are....psuedo-immortality? I guess she drank poison that one time too.  But in the books, she could actually set things on fire.  The idea of Melisandre being afraid of Davos is laughable to me.  Another complaint here; Melisandre is the reason Davos is alive, as she saved him from Stannis in S4, which he conveniently ignores (she should have brought that up when he confronted her IMO).  It infuriates me how Stannis is forgiven for his crimes but Melisandre is demonized despite clearly not being a mentally well individual.  I am not saying she is a good person, because she definitely isn't, but she is so dangerously delusional that she has always been acting in ways that she believed were for the greater good (and they weren't obviously).  I am confused about her interaction with Varys...seems like they are just trying to find a way to get rid of her.  "Returning to Westeros to Die"? what? Very sad to see Carice go as she is IMO the best actress in the show and an incredibly beautiful woman as well.  Mel to me is also perhaps the most interesting character, given she's one of the few magically inclined characters we know well (although I'd like to see her backstory explained more).

 

*Why the actual fuck is Jaime still drooling over Cersei? That is beyond nauseating.  Ignoring the character development Jaime goes through is an affront to the way GRRM wrote him.  What made Jaime so interesting is that he's not as monstrous as we originally thought, and that he separates himself from Cersei, who has a poisonous influence on everyone around her.  I really thought that the end of season 6 was signifying that Jaime had finally had enough with her and was going to finally begin acting like book Jaime, but apparently not.  It's a shame because book Jaime is a terrific character and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau is a very talented actor who is being wasted.

 

*The cure for greyscale is apparently able to be mastered by a novice.  So why is it banned?

 

*Why is Littlefinger still around? What is the show doing with him? Is he supposed to be the comic relief now? Jesus Christ.  I don't know what the point of Jon warning him about making moves on Sansa was if he was just going to immediately leave her alone with Fingah afterwards.

 

*Cersei asking Ellaria "why did you do that"? made me cringe.  Was that just me or was that a particularly bad piece of dialogue?  As much as I detest Ellaria and the Sand Snakes in the Show (especially because the show has ignored GRRM's characterization of them!) no one deserves to be tortured and it was impossible not to have pity for them in that scene.  In character for Cersei, I admit, as she is quite sadistic and admittedly has a justifiable reason to be enraged at the Dornish women.

 

*I admit that I got emotional when Bran and Sansa reunited.  However, that was quickly ruined by Bran being a creepy little shit.  

 

*Where is Ghost? Are we supposed to just pretend he doesn't exist? Wolves are my favorite animal and Ghost is my favorite Direwolf, so I am hoping he will eventually return.  His absence is still inexplicable and I am sure will not even be addressed when he finally does magically appear when it is deemed convenient by the show.

 

 

That's all I have for now.  Since I'm new to this board, I must ask is there always this much trouble with the site? I frequently have been unable to load pages here and often encounter "Gateway error" or some form of this when trying to access a particular page.  

 

 

 

Hi and Thanks for your post. 

I just wanted to let you know that the site usually has been problematic at times over the years when the show is on air........but it does seem really, really bad this year.   It may take til about Wednesday to have a prayer of any kind of consistency here. 

 

[Lord Godric]

49 minutes ago, lakin1013 said:

Jamie has been utterly destroyed as a character.  He has no coherence, no 'code'. and has become unreliable.  Sleep with your sister - Check.  Be courteous when poisoning an elder - Check.  Look all kinds of warrior-like on horseback when fighting for Cersei.  Check. Get one-upped by Euron's crude sex comments - check.  Jamie was a confused and unethical character until he met Brienne.  Slowly we saw seeds of change.  Well -- all gone.  And if anyone is a Brienne fan, why would you want her to end up with such a broken person as Jamie Lannister?  

 

Yeah, I agree. I thought that, from what we saw in the first two episodes, we were finally going to get the second half of his redemption arc, but every single time he keeps going back to Cersei, and they've just entirely ruined his character. I was thinking that he was going to "learn from his mistake" meaning not just do what Cersei wants him to do, but we haven't seen that yet. I imagine we will see it eventually but it'll be too late. 

[Lord Godric]

27 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Oh, and Casterly Rock was a joke. A real joke. Just as was the fact that Tyrion explains Daenerys the strategy of her own army days or weeks after said army was deployed. What kind of fucked-up command structure do they have?

As was Highgarden. They both felt like they were thrown in because the writers felt like they needed to do it, but wanted to get it out of the way as soon as possible. Both were sloppy. 

[TheQuietTone]

A lot of things bothers me but this one in particular: no one cares about the fall of the Rock on the Lanister side, even though their lands are defenseless! Their westerman army should be panicking about scary foreign invaders being beside their defenseless families in lanisport or wherever.... I doubt Cersei can convince people to not worry about the unsullied engaging in pillage and rape and murder when that was her only real selling point of her side: "I have just killed the Queen and the Pope, the king 'commited suicide', I am openly screwing my brother, and everyone knows that my children were not Robert's. I have allied myself to a group of kinslaying, faithless, barbarian viking rapists that a few months ago started a rebellion against us. But trust me, this other person is way worse". The moment Theon took Winterfell and killed Robb's heirs, everyone unanimously (except the idiot Starks themselves) agreed that the Starks were finished. And Jaime's master plan is to say "fuck your families, I'm sure the bad people we trap with them by having our teleporting admiral blow up their ships will not harm them..... everyone forward march and attack this army of people that outnumber our own, are better rested, and less battle-weary. We can't have people get upset and revolt simply because we literally blew their families, killed the rightful queen and kings (Tommen, Joffrey, Robert), destroyed the center of everyone's religion, and killed a bunch of innocents!"

 

Also, lol @ the admiral and commander of kingsguard (and brother of the queen) discussing whether the queen enjoys fingers up her bum while having sex where they can be clearly heard by basically everyone, including her.

[LordBloodraven]

Why would Jon go to Dragonstone and prepare a convincing discourse for Daenerys? D&D could have used Daenerys' birthing of dragons and her status as 'Unburnt' as props for Jon's discourse but I guess they prefer a dumb Jon Snow.

Also Daenerys is really annoying now. Unbelievably. Stuffed up.

Euron has a magical fleet. He's Davy Jones come again, appearing wherever pleases him in the Fourteen Seas.

I truly hope that we haven't seen the last of Meera Reed. I hope that Ding & Dong will give her a proper send-off, other than dumping Bran in Winterfell and disappearing forever after. This is a problem with the show, now that they have run out of book material, they do not know anymore what to do with secondary characters like Meera. Brienne, Bronn, Littlefinger are all suffering from this.

Jaime should be put out of his misery. Poor guy has been pussy-whipped by ShowCersei. He's unredeemable now.

 

 

 

 

 

[The Fattest Leech]

 

11 minutes ago, TheQuietTone said:

Also, lol @ the admiral and commander of kingsguard (and brother of the queen) discussing whether the queen enjoys fingers up her bum while having sex where they can be clearly heard by basically everyone, including her.

What!?!?!  I only watched one clip of the abomination, and it wasn't this one. 

Are you telling me that the genius showeunners used the same finger up the bum joke two seasons in a row (AT ALL!)??? 

Because it was so awesome last time we needed another go round with it??? 

Hacks!

[RhaenysBee]

There were a number of rocky things I could nitpick, but I enjoyed this episode so I'm just letting them go. 

There were only two bits I actively hated. 

1. Wtf is with Daenerys? Does she really have to be such an arrogant piece of shit? None of what she says makes any sense and the delivery of the lines is completely terrible too. It's part writing and part directing and part costume design, but damn she is terrible this season. Emilia could at least TRY to humanize her. She is getting worse than Cersei. 

But those who say Emilia is the worst actor on GoT, nope, you are wrong. She is doing terrible this season, but the worst actor on GoT is Isaac Hempstead Wright. 

2. What. The. F*ck. With. Bran. He was literally a bitchy teenager last season whining that the 3 eyed raven would let him go up to the tower. And now he is like Yoda in a Zen garden with a blank face and blank voice and throwing around the worst lines of the entire series? Can he at least pretend to be happy to see his sister for his sister's sake? Hello sister. I can't be lord of Winterfell. I'm the three eyed raven. I see everything. The three eyed raven taught me. Oh you don't understand? That's because I'm deliberately talking nonsense to sound insanely wise. Oh and it's also because it's too difficult to explain. But I have an idea, I'll give you instant ptsd by reminding you how pretty you were on your unwanted wedding day. Because that's the kinda shit your late husband would say and I guess you miss him. You don't? That must be difficult to explain too. Well bye sister, I must sit here in the cold and wear this terrible blank expression for the rest of the show. (And make no mistake, Sansa is just as bad, she is so so so insufferable and so so so full of contradictions) this whole reunion was absolutely underwhelming and pretty redundant. They didn't share information, they didn't share memories, they didn't share emotions. maybe talk about... hmmm... FREAKING RICKON? 

[darmody]

@TheQuietTone

I assume they're telling people the Kitten King died in the Blast of Baelor, which Carol assures us was an accident. 

 

Otherwise, it's just another plot hole. 

[aliasocfan]

It's been way too long since I've posted here. 
First of all, Indira Varma is way too good for this show. I freaking hating show!Ellaria and couldn't care less about the Sand Fakes and she made me feel something during the scene. 

Oh Bran. Most people wouldn't bring up the rape by the way. Even if he must do that, mentioning she looked beautiful was completely pointless and just off putting. 

What is geography or a timeline on this show? 

Poor Jon. He's being kept prisoner on Dragonstone. If only somebody warned him an envoy would be a good idea. 

How did Dany know Bran was still alive? I know everybody keeps up on social media, but that's not that well known. At best he was still considered missing. 

Saint Tyrion complimented Sansa. Will this suddenly make her more likable? 

[Cas Stark]

Just now, RhaenysB said:

There were a number of rocky things I could nitpick, but I enjoyed this episode so I'm just letting them go. 

There were only two bits I actively hated. 

1. Wtf is with Daenerys? Does she really have to be such an arrogant piece of shit? None of what she says makes any sense and the delivery of the lines is completely terrible too. It's part writing and part directing and part costume design, but damn she is terrible this season. Emilia could at least TRY to humanize her. She is getting worse than Cersei. 

But those who say Emilia is the worst actor on GoT, nope, you are wrong. She is doing terrible this season, but the worst actor on GoT is Isaac Hempstead Wright. 

2. What. The. F*ck. With. Bran. He was literally a bitchy teenager last season whining that the 3 eyed raven would let him go up to the tower. And now he is like Yoda in a Zen garden with a blank face and blank voice and throwing around the worst lines of the entire series? Can he at least pretend to be happy to see his sister for his sister's sake? Hello sister. I can't be lord of Winterfell. I'm the three eyed raven. I see everything. The three eyed raven taught me. Oh you don't understand? That's because I'm deliberately talking nonsense to sound insanely wise. Oh and it's also because it's too difficult to explain. But I have an idea, I'll give you instant ptsd by reminding you how pretty you were on your unwanted wedding day. Because that's the kinda shit your late husband would say and I guess you miss him. You don't? That must be difficult to explain too. Well bye sister, I must sit here in the cold and wear this terrible blank expression for the rest of the show. (And make no mistake, Sansa is just as bad, she is so so so insufferable and so so so full of contradictions) this whole reunion was absolutely underwhelming and pretty redundant. They didn't share information, they didn't share memories, they didn't share emotions. maybe talk about... hmmm... FREAKING RICKON? 

LOL, Isaac seemed bad but that could be what they're telling him to 'act'.  Emilia is just awful, and has been deadpanning around for years, even admitting that almost all Dany's lines are cringeworthy now.

I actually thought this was the best episode in some time, but maybe I've made peace with the stupidity of Cersei being super powerful, LOL.

I guess most viewers still luv Dany, I dunno, I hate her, but I hate her book self also.  

It's sad that no one in Westeros ever shares the important stuff, like that insane Sansa/Bran convo.  

I did really like the Jamie/QOT scene, despite hating the Highgarden depiction.  

[Lord Varys]

Emilia Clarke is a very bad actress. And so is Kit Harrington. I cannot stand either of them.

That said, aside from the ridiculous bitching about claims and the fucked-up motivation of Jon Snow (I come to ask for your help but I won't bend the knee and expect you to help me because I mention 'the army of the dead' again and again without elaborating on this rather esoteric concept).

Why should Daenerys help this guy? And why should Jon insist on his crown if he asks a foreign monarch for help? Kings who need the help of foreign powers to protect their people are no sovereign monarchs at all. They are vassals.

This is all artificial filler/fake conflict (like the nonsensical Sansa-Jon conflict).

[Le Cygne]

Jaime is toast. Poor NCW, I remember in interviews he said he was trying to figure out his motivations and they said just say the lines. Having him gaze in adoration at Cersei after she tortures people was a low blow. How can he ever be seen as anything but a reptile now.

The godswood scene, Sandra seemed almost human for a minute, but then they had to ruin it by having Bran behave so bizarrely. They said they wanted to play down the magic by making him spacey because of the magic, ha ha ha. Excuse for not telling her about LF, thus eliminating the season o' filler.

[Crona]

I thought the episode was pretty good. Dany really was terrible though. Out of all the people, you want to flex in front of, Jon, really? And what was Jon thinking when he went to Dragonstone, he needed the dragon glass but had nothing to offer Dany? Also, when they were taking away their ships and kept them as prisoners, why didn't Jon have a backup plan, that if I don't come back with Sansa. This whole thing could have blown up in both faces, especially Danys.  Both Jon and Dany are huge disappointments so far.

[Le Cygne]

The sea of black Romulan uniforms stood out again. Also the music, as if this was some sort of hyper emotional epic or something, instead of exposition hour interspersed with sleepwalking through nonsense plots.

[TyrionFan82]

AT first I thought Dany had a great small council...now it's either, dead, captured or inept. HOW CAN TYRION MESS UP SO MUCH? I WANT HIM TO MAKE DANY WIN!!!!!!!!

[ummester]

1 hour ago, Corvinus said:

This is precisely why I think they did it in the show - the modern idea that every bank is corrupt and puts profit above all else. But I highly doubt that GRRM will ever put the Iron Bank in this light in the books. Sure, maybe some individuals who are greedy enough, and forgetful enough of their history would stoop to such practices, but I don't believe the institution ever will. So I'm pissed off that once again, the show did away with book lore, to once again insert some modernism in the show.

But historical banks also put profit in front of all else - even ancient world banks (or trade based societies). Usury was banned through much of medieval history because of this.

Sure, GRRM may have had something different in mind for the IB. I don't know where he planned to take that plot element. I just think that historically greed has played as big a part in human society as it does now - only difference is the tools available to banksters now are far more damaging.

[Samwell_Tarly]

3 minutes ago, TyrionFan82 said:

AT first I thought Dany had a great small council...now it's either, dead, captured or inept. HOW CAN TYRION MESS UP SO MUCH? I WANT HIM TO MAKE DANY WIN!!!!!!!!

I think its near impossible to bring tyrion back from this, they have just done everything so extreme. They took Daenerys, what seemed like unstoppable power and give it to Cersei. For me they should have just took the Armies and the dragons and sacked KL. Things dont add up anymore, id do a list but it annoys me to think about them all.