Ran Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Why give any weight to "could have been an interesting idea"? Every film ever made, good or bad, has some idea at its core that is interesting if you're willing to elaborate on it enough, IMO. STID had an incompetent script; STV had an incompetent-almost-everything. At worst (to bring it back on topic), Episode XI will be a mediocre film, IMO, based on Abram's track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felice Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 48 minutes ago, Ran said: Every film ever made, good or bad, has some idea at its core that is interesting if you're willing to elaborate on it enough, IMO. What's at the core of Into Darkness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, felice said: What's at the core of Into Darkness? Wrath of Khan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, felice said: What's at the core of Into Darkness? Making Khan a very sensitive, fair villain, who is willing to go very far in order to save his family. Viewing the Federation as not particularly that good of an organization, precursors of what we see in DS9. Don't get me wrong - I didn't think it was that good - but 'the core of the story' argument rings pretty hollow there. ST5 was utter shit. Into Darkness was a competently made meh movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felice Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, polishgenius said: Wrath of Khan. Nah. It copies some superficial elements from movies 2 and 3, but it doesn't earn them. You might as well say the Star Trek episode Arena is the core of Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I always liked the "I need my pain" scene from V. It's almost bizarrely out of place in that film considering how awful the rest of it is. And I always thought Into Darkness was supppsed to be a 9/11 parable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Also Into Darkness is more based on Space Seed then Wrath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Okay, so actual star wars news - a set of short stories around the Canto Bight casino is going to be released soon, with writers such as John Jos Miller and Saladin Ahmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 John Jackson Miller, not John Jos Miller. Different guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Ran said: John Jackson Miller, not John Jos Miller. Different guy. Oh, sorry. Those white millers all look the same to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davrum Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Let's Get Kraken said: Wasn't the biggest criticism of the J.J. Abrams Star Trek movies (after the whitewashing thing) that they felt too much like Star Wars movies? Just sayin'... Yep, and then he somehow contrived to make a Star Wars movie that didn't feel enough like a Star Wars movie even though he leaned super hard on the template of previous Star Wars movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Saying TFA didn't feel like a Star Wars movie is the oh, third craziest thing I'v heard today. There was a whitewashing controversy around the original JJ Trek? How does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Hey, if JJ is doing IX, does that mean more Ewoks??? You know, because he likes to retread the previous movies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I don't think he likes Jedi, actually. Pretty sure I read somewhere he hates Ewoks. How much did he have to do with the script in 7 anyway? 24 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said: Khanberbatch Oh right, that's a weird one because Khan is supposed to be middle Eastern but was played by a Spanish guy. So I always kind of forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurktan Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 On 9/13/2017 at 10:04 PM, Jaxom 1974 said: Hey, if JJ is doing IX, does that mean more Ewoks??? You know, because he likes to retread the previous movies... Going by Force Awakens, I fully expect Finn to be captured by some sort of Crime Lord at the end of Last Jedi and so then Oscar Isaac has to try and save him by fake bringing in Chewbacca but then will in turn be captured himself and put in a metal speedo where eventually he gets to choke out the Crime Lord via a curtain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 25 minutes ago, Slurktan said: Oscar Isaac has to try and save him but then will in turn be captured himself and put in a metal speedo You know, I may not hate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I'd also be quite happy to see Oscar Isaacs don a metal speedo. Purely for narrative reasons, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 On 9/13/2017 at 10:04 PM, Jaxom 1974 said: Hey, if JJ is doing IX, does that mean more Ewoks??? You know, because he likes to retread the previous movies... Well, we have porgs in VIII, so maybe they skipped Empire and went right to Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Pesci Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 19 hours ago, Slurktan said: Going by Force Awakens, I fully expect Finn to be captured by some sort of Crime Lord at the end of Last Jedi and so then Oscar Isaac has to try and save him by fake bringing in Chewbacca but then will in turn be captured himself and put in a metal speedo where eventually he gets to choke out the Crime Lord via a curtain. That also sets up the perfect opportunity for Lando to appear in IX... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I'm ok with Abrams doing part IX. A bit like when he was anounced for VII - we know he's safe (assuming you liked VII). We still don't know what Rian Johnson's version will be like so again, it's probably safer to take JJ for now. I'm amazed it took them so long to announce the December push-back. I was under the impression that's the slot they want the SW films to be in. I guess they can't admit they were wrong and so they wait until they have a legitimate reason to move the date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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